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Post by bigbore5 on Apr 8, 2024 17:12:59 GMT -5
There's a distinct difference between the recoil despite their producing the same peak energy due to the velocity of the recoil impulse and the time under the curve.
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Post by hunter01 on Apr 8, 2024 17:16:51 GMT -5
There's a distinct difference between the recoil despite their producing the same peak energy due to the velocity of the recoil impulse and the time under the curve. What kind of instrumentation did you use to come to this conclusion?
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Post by Encore64 on Apr 8, 2024 17:55:05 GMT -5
For decades, I've read about the 41 Magnum's Merits of same, or almost the same, energy with less felt recoil.
This has been a great thread with similar input from valued members.
I'm really lacking in experience with the 41 Magnum myself. But, recently broke out a FA97 so chambered and appreciate the information.
There'll always be someone to contradict, but you guys with experience and knowledge keep it coming...
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Post by hunter01 on Apr 8, 2024 18:19:08 GMT -5
The facts are available for all to see. Dont blindly follow, do your own thinking and research. If you want a 41, get a 41, but dont expect something unrealistic from it.
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Post by Big Bore on Apr 8, 2024 18:45:16 GMT -5
Very interesting turn my thread took. I just like the 41 magnum caliber. And I wanted another one so I bought one. It really was that simple…
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Post by Encore64 on Apr 8, 2024 18:53:16 GMT -5
Very interesting turn my thread took. I just like the 41 magnum caliber. And I wanted another one so I bought one. It really was that simple… That's the only "FACT" that matters. Thanks for sharing...
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Post by hunter01 on Apr 8, 2024 19:33:54 GMT -5
Very interesting turn my thread took. I just like the 41 magnum caliber. And I wanted another one so I bought one. It really was that simple… That's the only "FACT" that matters. Thanks for sharing... Thats been said several times before. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by bigbore5 on Apr 8, 2024 21:09:02 GMT -5
There's a distinct difference between the recoil despite their producing the same peak energy due to the velocity of the recoil impulse and the time under the curve. What kind of instrumentation did you use to come to this conclusion? It's been studied extensively for decades by real scientists and published widely. My personal experiments have usually been conducted with everything from a weighted sled to a ransome rest as a measure of applied energy and a slow motion camera for the actual recoil motion. Applied Ballistics went even farther using a robotic arm loaded with sensors when working with the military on the development of recoil control and abatement with DARPA, but I have neither my cousin's brain nor the government money to do it for myself. I would love to use their equipment to test the 454,475, and 500's recoil dynamics but her reply when asked was "Oh hell no".
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Post by hunter01 on Apr 8, 2024 22:15:17 GMT -5
What kind of instrumentation did you use to come to this conclusion? It's been studied extensively for decades by real scientists and published widely. My personal experiments have usually been conducted with everything from a weighted sled to a ransome rest as a measure of applied energy and a slow motion camera for the actual recoil motion. Applied Ballistics went even farther using a robotic arm loaded with sensors when working with the military on the development of recoil control and abatement with DARPA, but I have neither my cousin's brain nor the government money to do it for myself. I would love to use their equipment to test the 454,475, and 500's recoil dynamics but her reply when asked was "Oh hell no". [br "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". Newtons third law. We all know it. I never dreamed it would be disproved here. Your experiments in no way prove or even reflect anything of "velocity of the recoil impulse and time under the curve" as you stated. Show me the DATA pertaining to the 41 bore vs any other revolver bore you choose that will back up your findings please sir. I want so badly to be a believer! The interweb never ceases to amaze.
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Post by handgunhuntingafield on Apr 8, 2024 22:24:35 GMT -5
This thread did take an odd turn.
Less felt recoil? Well if the outer barrel dia is the same size as say a 44 mag or 45 colt…..the bore of a 41 is smaller….thus there should be more weight…..weight applied to the front of the gun as in the barrel should reduce muzzle climb which would reduce recoil to the shooter…..even more so when we think of how a single action rolls up…
And the bullets lighter than the other 2…..well lighter than the “normal” weight.
Maybe I’m right….maybe I’m wrong….but sounds like a good SWAG (simple wild a$$ guess)
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 8, 2024 22:26:11 GMT -5
Ed Verge, my late shooting partner, packed a Model 57 .41 Mag with 8-3/8” barrel, while I packed a 6-1/2” M-29 .44 Mag. We shot neck & neck continuously. Once, while hunting, we jumped a deer in snowy softwoods. Ed about 20 yards to my left. Neither knew the other drew, but drawn we did, each cocking on the draw. Sounded like a single stereoscopic shot. Dressing the deer, we found both shots intersected the heart, an inch or 1-1/2 inch apart. Ed felt neither outgunned nor undergunned with his .41. Same went for his partner with the .44.
Neither shooter ever suggested the other shooter change caliber.
The advent of handgun silhouette drew this shooter like a magnet, but not Ed, although his marksmanship possessed a serious competitive spirit.
I thought about the .41 Mag, yet did not want to pollute my feel for the .44 with the .41’s slightly flatter trajectory. We were better off sticking to our guns. Handgun silhouette saw the screwdriver replace Kentucky. Those who came to with Kentucky could take advantage when distances varied and light conditions messed with sighting. Had Ruger made the Super Blackhawk in .41 Mag, and especially the 10-1/2” Silhouette Super and Silver Hornpipe, the .41 would have attracted more shooters. Dan Wesson Arms would have found the .41 more difficult, as the M-44 .44 Mag Vent Heavy 8-inch (VH8) barely slid under the 4-lbs weight limit. To make weight, a .41 Mag VH8 would have had to hog more metal off the barrel shroud. Same diet would apply the a DWA .41 Mag with 10” Vent shroud.
As our James from Jersey notes, the N frame Smith is a natural for the .41 Mag. But not for trying to launch the Space Shuttle. David Bradshaw
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Post by bigbore5 on Apr 8, 2024 22:36:04 GMT -5
hunter01,
You have been treated with patience by most members on this forum. Yet you attack what anyone else has learned from years of experimentation and experience. Patience is wearing thin.
So without going into Werner's principle of propulsion, Davinport's theory of mass particle acceleration, or any of the other principles learned in higher physics education, I will refer back to Newton and his very basic understanding. A 41 magnum weighs more than a 44 magnum on the same platform. Thus the mass differences result in less recoil in the heavier gun because an object at rest tends to stay at rest until acted upon by a greater force. Now if we are done with the 4th grade physics lesson, I have better things to do.
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Post by bradshaw on Apr 9, 2024 13:14:07 GMT -5
Hijacked thread. Nothing wrong with a hijack, especially delivered with wit. However, a post delivered in vituperation stinks up the gumbo. The last post deleted accordingly. David Bradshaw
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Post by foxtrapper on Apr 9, 2024 13:29:03 GMT -5
Partial Hijack , just ordered a 10” FA 2008! In 41 mag. Almost a 83… does have the 83 grip frame lol
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Post by Encore64 on Apr 9, 2024 13:55:01 GMT -5
Partial Hijack , just ordered a 10” FA 2008! In 41 mag. Almost a 83… does have the 83 grip frame lol That should be a dandy one. I've been having the same thought about a 10" 454 Casull...
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