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Post by Encore64 on Feb 21, 2024 16:14:55 GMT -5
We have too many PC Writers and "Gun" People.
The half cock safety works just fine. But, instead of simply teaching and preaching the correct usage of it, folks are obsessed with an empty chamber.
Same folks will carry a Glock ready to go. It's what happens when the weak give into the bullies.
Maybe we should just get a belt pouch for the cylinder and put it in the gun when we're ready to shoot?
I've read that the Rolling Block Rifle is unsafe because when you chamber a round and lower the Block, it's ready to fire. DUH, same goes for every bolt action I've ever owned. Ditto on Lever Guns.
It's just part of the brainwashing that comes from the "Anti" Everything crowd.
It's just disappointing that some gun people get onboard...
JMHO...
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Post by eddiesouthgate on Feb 21, 2024 16:16:26 GMT -5
I've had at least one and in most cases several of about every normal sized single action made in the last 50 years . Most have been good guns, some gooder than others . I have had to replace action parts in all but one of the Italian clones, usually nothing drastic but something broke eventually in all but one. That one is without a doubt the best of all of the clones I have owned on all levels . It is actually nicer than my custom shop BP frame Colt . It has real color case hardening that is much prettier than the Colt and can not even be compared to the case coloring that is on the other Italians I have owned. The action brand new out of the box is comparable to the best Jim Martin action I have ever had a chance to shoot. The Bluing is Colt Custom Shop quality , was then and 20 years later it still is despite having been carried a good bit and shot a lot. It is as accurate as I'd ever want and does not seem to mind my Elmer Keith reloads one bit. If there was anything less than stellar about it it was the grips and they were fine. Only thing I have done to it in the years I have owned it is add some really beautiful stag grips and shoot the hound out of it and it still tight as ever and the action is as good as it was brand new. It is a 4 3/4" EMF Hartford Premier made for them by Army San Marcos. I love my .44 Special Cimarron( Uberti ) but I have replaced minor parts and it required a bit of filing on the front sight to get it to hit point of aim. The AS never needed anything. I have replaced parts in Uberti's , springs mostly , and wouldn't hesitate to buy another one or two. If you can find one of the discontinued but not abused Hartford Premiers , latch onto it.
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Post by gnappi on Feb 21, 2024 17:06:08 GMT -5
Encore, I feel the same as you.
The half cock works and I carry mine with six.
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Post by ridgerunner on Feb 21, 2024 20:09:10 GMT -5
So you guys prefer the half cock position over the first click which is noted as the safety position. Being totally new to SSA's could some educate me as to why? Give me some instructions. I am capable of learning and would much prefer to load six.
Thanks in advance for any help with this.
Bill
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 21, 2024 20:17:55 GMT -5
So you guys prefer the half cock position over the first click which is noted as the safety position. Being totally new to SSA's could some educate me as to why? Give me some instructions. I am capable of learning and would much prefer to load six. Thanks in advance for any help with this. Bill The first click is referred to as the Half Cock Safety. It's different than Half Cock...
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Post by ridgerunner on Feb 21, 2024 20:56:04 GMT -5
Got it. Thanks.
It'll take a while for me to learn the terminology but I'll get there. Well, maybe I won't learn all of it. I'm too old and won't live that long.
And I do apologize for causing this topic to drift off.
Bill
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 21, 2024 21:04:02 GMT -5
Valid questions and no need to apologize. I've never known a more knowledgeable group of revolver gentlemen or any more willing to exchange information...
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Post by 1horseman on Feb 21, 2024 21:19:09 GMT -5
Got it. Thanks. It'll take a while for me to learn the terminology but I'll get there. Well, maybe I won't learn all of it. I'm too old and won't live that long. And I do apologize for causing this topic to drift off. Bill I carry mine with six in the cylinder, but mine has a transfer bar. When cocked, the hammer looks "unnatural" (ugly), but I can't see it when I'm shooting so it doesn't bother me. I opted for the transfer bar because I carry mine on the horseback (a lot), and with the hammer on half cock there is just too much dirt to enter the action for my taste (but I also want to have six available) I ride through some windy/dusty country. If the owner of the revolver is the only person handling it (in my case I am the only one), there is no problem in carrying it on half cock. However,....if one hands the piece to a buddy on the range (I never do), chances are two things can happen. Either the untrained person will lower the hammer from the half cock (which WILL leave a "nice" drag line on the cylinder), or he/she will squeeze the trigger hard from half cock position and break the half cock/safety notch on the hammer (I've seen that happen....both). As far as "will not live that long"....I am with one leg over the grave, and the other one on the banana peel.
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Post by 45dragoon on Feb 22, 2024 0:01:14 GMT -5
Well there ya go, first time I've ever heard the 1/4 cock / safety notch called a 1/2 cock safety notch. Jim Martin and I will have to have another discussion . . . ( that's not what he taught me anyway).
Mike
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Post by eddiesouthgate on Feb 22, 2024 0:21:17 GMT -5
Well there ya go, first time I've ever heard the 1/4 cock / safety notch called a 1/2 cock safety notch. Jim Martin and I will have to have another discussion . . . ( that's not what he taught me anyway). Mike Never heard it called that either by anyone that knew what they were talking about. It's the safety notch and you should only load 5 for carry if you value safety any at all.
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Post by Cholla on Feb 22, 2024 0:51:35 GMT -5
We have too many PC Writers and "Gun" People. The half cock safety works just fine. But, instead of simply teaching and preaching the correct usage of it, folks are obsessed with an empty chamber. Same folks will carry a Glock ready to go. It's what happens when the weak give into the bullies. Maybe we should just get a belt pouch for the cylinder and put it in the gun when we're ready to shoot? I've read that the Rolling Block Rifle is unsafe because when you chamber a round and lower the Block, it's ready to fire. DUH, same goes for every bolt action I've ever owned. Ditto on Lever Guns. It's just part of the brainwashing that comes from the "Anti" Everything crowd. It's just disappointing that some gun people get onboard... JMHO... Encore, I feel the same as you. The half cock works and I carry mine with six. Same here, I load six and make use of the safety notch. "The safety notch isn't safe" is one of those mantras that has been uttered for so long that no one knows why they believe it. But what I find odd about the whole subject is while people are terrified of loading six in a Colt SA-style revolver and making use of the safety notch, every hunting season countless tens of thousands of people chamber a round in their hammered long guns ('73, '92, '94, '97, Model 62 & 90 Winchesters and reproductions thereof, Marlins of all kinds, etc.) pull the hammer back to the safety notch and head off to the hunting fields without a concern in the world!
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 22, 2024 4:09:07 GMT -5
There's a real and valid reason not to carry any SAA or clone with six rounds chambered. It was discovered right after the first ones were delivered.
If you have ever saddled a horse you will know about this.
To buckle the cinch, it's normal to flip the stirrup up on top of the saddle so it's out of the way. It's not unusual for it to slip off when you pull up on the cinch. The metal stirrup is now basically a hammer that will rip out the safety notch and fire the gun. There's been many a cowboy with a Colt limp.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 22, 2024 6:20:38 GMT -5
Agree that we all have to adapt to our environments.
My first firearm was a Hawes 22 LR Single Action. It was given to me by an Uncle and its still in the family.
I well remember my Dad teaching me to load it safely. Telling me the most dangerous time was when lowering the hammer and then bringing it back until I heard the safety notch.
I was around 10 at the time and things have sure changed in 50 years.
Surely semantics and terminology varied from family to family. But, at least we had families and learning about guns was part of it.
I appreciate that more and more the older I get...
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Post by rjm52 on Feb 22, 2024 6:33:46 GMT -5
They called it a Six-Shooter for a reason... Best video on this I have seen... This guy carries a Six-Shooter with only 5 beans in the wheel but shows all the historical documentation that IS NOT the way it was done by civilians or the military... www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-A7uokxQ-c
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Post by rjm52 on Feb 22, 2024 6:40:16 GMT -5
There's a real and valid reason not to carry any SAA or clone with six rounds chambered. It was discovered right after the first ones were delivered. If you have ever saddled a horse you will know about this. To buckle the cinch, it's normal to flip the stirrup up on top of the saddle so it's out of the way. It's not unusual for it to slip off when you pull up on the cinch. The metal stirrup is now basically a hammer that will rip out the safety notch and fire the gun. There's been many a cowboy with a Colt limp. ...done by Cowboys who failed to read the instruction manual... www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSvF7HgKVR8
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