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Post by ezekiel38 on Dec 21, 2018 23:05:49 GMT -5
As I am now in my 70s I have gone back to my old loves in firearms: 38s and 22LRs.
Have a mothership load of 358 caliber handguns about and I need each one. Want a very accurate 22LR rifle for $400.00 or less. Want a bolt action and something with little tuning will keep 5 in a dime at 25 yds using a peep sight. I'm also left handed. Everyone at the LGS where I work says Savage, but their modeling system and lack of description of the models leaves me wondering. A few have mentioned Ruger American. I can live with a right handed bolt, but a port sided bolt would be nice.
6-7 pounds, barrel 18+ inches with a heavy contour and hopefully a 10 shot detachable magazine. A set up for a NECG rear peep sight.
Appreciate your help in this matter.
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Post by zeus on Dec 21, 2018 23:57:08 GMT -5
Check out CZ. I don’t know if they have one that check all your boxes right off, but they make one incredibly accurate 22. I have a cheap one I run a suppressor on. Thing was like $400 and shoots one hole groups. Hard to complain. I have nicer 22s for sure but that one shoots extremely well and I couldn’t care less if I scratch it or bang it up.
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Post by lazytcross on Dec 22, 2018 0:52:33 GMT -5
I will second a cz. 455. I have a 452 ultra lux. 28” barrel and trainer sight. Great pleasure to shoot. And shoots well within your request.
Pretty affordable and they do offer a LH bolt. I shoot LH but own a RH gun. Works well but it would’ve been nice to find a LH.
Good option for your price range. Good luck
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Post by lazytcross on Dec 22, 2018 0:53:37 GMT -5
Forgot to mention that they are very easy on the eyes in my opinion. But I am a wood fan over plastic
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Post by leftysixgun on Dec 22, 2018 4:58:51 GMT -5
You can still buy the CZ 452 American in the left handed flavor, but I cant help you on the heavier barrel or aperture sights. I have a LH 452 and it shoot great.
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 22, 2018 5:10:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider anything outside of the CZs either. Have them in 22 LR, 22 Magnum and 17 HMR.
You can't go wrong with these guns.
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Post by ezekiel38 on Dec 22, 2018 8:52:14 GMT -5
Thanks Guys, CZ sounds like the way to go!
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Post by jgt on Dec 22, 2018 9:34:04 GMT -5
There are many rifles floating around that could fill the bill if they came into your store or a nearby shop. The Remington 510,511,512,513 and 521T all fit the bill as does the 880,881,882 series. The Marlin 880. The Winchester bolt guns. All used and usually sold off by kids who inherit them, but want a semi-auto. Your choice is endless if you do a little poking around.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 22, 2018 10:05:20 GMT -5
"Want a bolt action and something with little tuning will keep 5 in a dime at 25 yds using a peep sight.... $400 range....” ----ezekiel38
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Second the CZ 452 family, along with the newer, CZ 455 clamped barrel variant. Trigger needs work, but the hardware is solid, honest, robust, and the magazines are well made. The rifles seem uniformly accurate. I go the other way on barrel length, favoring the Ultra Lux with 28.5-inch barrel, although I don’y think this is available with left hand bolt. Sights on the Lux 452 and 455 24.8” Training Rifle and the 28.6-inch Ultra Lux are tight, well made variants of the late 1800’s/early1900’s Mauser tangent open sight. The 28.6” barrel is QUIET.
The BOLT SLEEVE SAFETY is as positive as it gets, locking back the COCKING PIECE. A seeming European peculiarity, the safety works opposite what Americans are used to. I thought about trying to change it, then left it alone, as the unique feel of the rifle quickly trained my thumb to its operation. The 5-shot magazine is steel, the 10-shot is plastic, both very well made. A single shot tray is available. An excellent Weaver-type scope base is available. A peep sight could be adapted to the CZ dovetail.
The CZ 455 Varmint has a 20.5"x.866" bull barrel. Check with CZ to see if they have any with left hand bolt. The 455 has the advantage of being able to swap barrels, as the tenon is clamped in the RECEIVER RING via draw bolts. If your interested in the 455, check with Green Mountain Barrels in NH as to whether it has, or will fit, a Green Mountain bull barrel to the 455.
The CZ 452 American Left Hand is a sporter with 20.5” barrel and high comb walnut stock.
I have seen accuracy from Savage bolts, but the action is like a tin can compared to the CZ.
Anschutz----if you can find a deal on a used Anschutz, you start with a smooth action of exceptionally fast lock time, the best trigger, mated to a superb barrel. I happen to greatly favor the Anschutz 2-stage trigger over a single stage. The basic Anschutz Model 64 is a great action. The more expensive Model 54 is not necessary. The 64 and 54 are turn bolts, thus too slow for Biathlon competition. All the Anschutz Model Biathlon rifles have 2-stage triggers. (Anschutz Biathlon is made with the Fortner 1827 straight pull action, the slickest .22 bolt action ever made. However, unless you’re throwing on the skis to chase those incredible athletes, a $4,000 stick chambered in .22 Long Rifle is a bit steep. It’s probably easier to grow watermelons on the moon than to find a used Anschutz Biathlon 1827 Fortner in the CZ price range.)
Izhmash also makes very accurate target rifles. I have shot the Izhmash Biathlon, which is very competitive until you reach the Olympics, where everyone seems to use the Anschutz. The Izhmash often shoots right beside the Anschutz for accuracy, until temperatures drop below ZERO fahrenheit, and the Anschutz coasts ahead at 20 below ZERO. Yes, biathlon competitors ski & shoot this weather, and an exceedingly handsome bunch they are. The Izhmash straight pull is not as smooth as the Anschutz 1827 Fortner, therefore not as fast, but its reliability and accuracy are excellent.
Anschutz made pistols for IHMSA silhouette with right & left hand actions, with center-grip and rear-grip stocks. These beautiful pistols are built on the Anschutz M64 action and have the exquisite Anschutz 2-stage trigger. These pistols shoot like fury. David Bradshaw
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Post by jimtx on Dec 22, 2018 11:34:03 GMT -5
Definitely agree with the CZs, I have owned 2 527s , my 22 hornet American model was fantastic, true mauser action, fully adjustable trigger, hammer forged batrels, very accurate rifles, also for their price range , IMO can't be beat.
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Post by needsmostuff on Dec 22, 2018 12:13:21 GMT -5
If you want to buy "New" I would jump on the CZ bandwagon but,,,,,,,,,,,,,. As jgt pointed out , the world is full of FINE 22s on the used shelf. Seldom worn out and more likely never really broke in. I personally tend to favor the old pre-war and post-war (till about the 60's) Mossberg target guns . Viewed as junk by many they can be had for under a hundred ( often with peep sights included) and unfailingly shoot WAY above expectation . That's my .22 fetish but with the "proper bones" of good trigger , stiff barrel and a solid , man sized stock ANY .22 can be made to shoot. I have had great results with Marlins and even H&Rs also. Most need to be dialed and tweeked in but I can honestly say I have never had a .22 that was not capable of shooting better than I can hold it.
It is easy to get caught up in brand name .22 snobbery but the .22 is inherently accurate and at my age Olympic grade equipment is not required. And remember Tight chambers require expensive Match ammo that kind of takes the "Plinking fun " out of it.
Last thought . You mentioned a 10 round mag but I would say don't discount a good tube fed model. Most really work well (of course check out function first) hold more and never get lost.
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 22, 2018 14:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by bullseye on Dec 22, 2018 16:05:20 GMT -5
I'm right handed but I had to learn to shoot long guns left handed a couple of decades ago due to an eye issue. I have a number of left handed bolt action 22 LR, 22 Magnum & 17 HMR rifles, as fumbling around with something designed for right handed operation is not any fun whatsoever. As others have suggested, I recommend going with the CZ 452 for the purposes you suggest...They're fine, accurate little rifles & the only complaint I really had with mine was the cheesy stamped trigger guard which I eventually replaced with the MUCH improved upgrade offered by DIP Products.
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 22, 2018 16:08:09 GMT -5
If you can find a CZ 453, buy it. Not sure if they make anything comparable any more.
Basically the 452 Deluxe with a set trigger. With the correct scope, mine breaks clays at 200 yards with ease.
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Post by magman on Dec 22, 2018 16:34:24 GMT -5
Have a CZ 455 shoots great. Also have a left hand Savage, shoots just as good.
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