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Post by lazytcross on Dec 22, 2018 18:37:00 GMT -5
Holy crap! Never heard of DIP products. Those things look beautiful
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Post by bullseye on Dec 22, 2018 18:59:04 GMT -5
Holy crap! Never heard of DIP products. Those things look beautiful DIP makes some excellent products for sure! In fact, they've managed to get quite a bit of my money over the last few years.
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Post by ezekiel38 on Dec 22, 2018 20:44:20 GMT -5
Thanks to all, good info, lots to ponder. Maybe I'll start hitting old fashioned gun stores we have a couple left and see what exists out there used. And the CZ American left hand appeals after all, is said and done for a new gun.
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Post by rvolvr on Dec 22, 2018 21:03:47 GMT -5
...the only complaint I really had with mine was the cheesy stamped trigger guard which I eventually replaced with the MUCH improved upgrade offered by DIP Products. I put a Diversified Innovative Products trigger guard on my 452 LH only after much deliberation. At $135, it was a very significant expense for a component which added absolutely nothing to the performance capabilities of the rifle. Yes, it's noticeably more attractive than the factory stamped steel unit. But at least one other rifle I'm familiar with - a Mauser ES350B (circa 1935) single-shot .22lr target rifle - has a very similar stamped steel guard. And a very classy rifle it is. ezekial38 would give up nothing by sticking with the factory guard on an otherwise wonderful rifle. If I might comment a bit further on the DIP guard, I'm of the opinion that the bow is too thick - possibly resulting from the fact that the inside surface is milled dead flat. No other gun I own has a flat inner surface, except the Mauser. I plan to rework the inner surface of the DIP to a more typical convex form which will reduce the edge thickness to a more appealing (to me, at least) vision. And yes, DIP has several very nice 452 upgrades. Dale
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 24, 2018 8:28:53 GMT -5
There are many rifles floating around that could fill the bill if they came into your store or a nearby shop. The Remington 510,511,512,513 and 521T all fit the bill as does the 880,881,882 series. The Marlin 880. The Winchester bolt guns. All used and usually sold off by kids who inherit them, but want a semi-auto. Your choice is endless if you do a little poking around. ***** jgt and needsmostuff ..... the profuse variety of well made .22 rifles-----which continued available through the 1960’s----represent, along with the NRA Junior Riflery program, an era of disciplined marksmanship which introduced kids to the HARDWARE WORLD through safe gun handling. The concept is not obsolete. Nor is the .22 Long Rifle obsolete. You are entirely correct to bring attention to rifles other than Winchester and Remington made on production lines which predate World War I. Winchester and Remington offered a comprehensive lineup of .22’s to suit most pocketbooks. Mossberg factors much higher in junior training than the price tag on its rifles would suggest. The best Marlin lever actions and Remington & Winchester pumps and sent-autos didn’t quite equal the accuracy of the bolts, which may have had more to do with the cut of the chamber than the action type, as I suspect many of these barrels were made on the same machines. Took a while to save up for the money to buy a Mossberg bolt rifle. For a price of, $36 if memory serves.... Mossberg bolt action * 26” barrel. * Tube magazine----holds 20 Long Rifle, or 25 Long, or 30 Short, all of which feeds reliably. * Sights----swing-away receiver aperture with Micrometer-click windage & elevation; adjustable open sight on barrel; hooded front sight with 4 flip-up inserts: aperture, bead, narrow post, wide post. * Adjustable trigger. * Walnut stock (without knots!). Excellent proportions for offhand & position shooting. * Quick Detachable sling swivels. * Strip bolt with fingers (you had to keep the bolt sleeve screwed forward, as it would loosen over time, but it did not affect the superb reliability). Feeding was utterly flawless. Pull trigger to remove bolt. Clean bore from rear. Very accurate, although not the equal of a Winchester Model 52 or M-75, or a top Remington target rifle. I have shot Mossberg and Kimber .22 LR target rifles which I believe were made for U.S. military. Sometimes these rifles need a good cleaning to restore accuracy, as oxidizes fouling kills .22 accuracy. On this note, it is neither wise nor desirable to clean a .22 more often than necessary for accuracy. The left hand bolt caper may eliminate many of these fine old rifles from consideration. David Bradshaw
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Post by ezekiel38 on Dec 24, 2018 9:02:28 GMT -5
I can live with a right hand bolt, my left hand scout rifle has me spoiled. think I'll look used first . thanks for the list Mr. Bradshaw. Merry Christmas to you.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 24, 2018 12:02:24 GMT -5
I can live with a right hand bolt, my left hand scout rifle has me spoiled. think I'll look used first . thanks for the list Mr. Bradshaw. Merry Christmas to you. ***** If your left hand scout carbine has you spoiled, I suggest you stay spoiled. I’d look for a left hand CZ 452 American. If I wanted to interchange barrels, or install a bull barrel at a later date, reckon I’d opt for the CZ 455, which barrel is clamped in the receiver via draw bolts. Accuracy of the clamped .22 barrels was laid to rest permanent by custom Ruger 10/22’s, and the match-chambered Ruger M77/22 VBZ, a really fine bolt .22LR, also in need of trigger attention. That’s why I suggest, if you happen to trip over a lefty bolt Anschutz, muckle onto it. DIP makes a fine piccatinny mount, which slides snuggly onto the CZ receiver dovetail. Make sure to check whether the CZ receiver in question has the European 11mm dovetail, or the less common 3/8” dovetail. I prefer the DIP Extended mount for versatility in ring spacing for a long target scope, should such optic be on the menu. DIP mounts come with either right or left hand ejection. DIP also makes mounts for Anschutz rifles. DIP makes a sear for the CZ 452 and 455 series rifles, said to be 40% lighter than the factory slab of steel. In general, the sear and trigger are better off weighing less, not more. Given equal angles of engagement, the lighter parts are much less likely the jar off. Meaning, it is easier to adjust light with light parts. (We’re not talking revolvers here, where those of us who carry under adversity demand 100% reliability, no matter what the weather throws at us.) I have not yet tried the DIP sear. Back to Anschutz tournament rifles, may do not have a safety. Biathlon illustrates why. The skier skis for miles like a madman or madwoman, except he or she is skating on skis, not skates. Slams to a halt at the firing line. Unslings, flipping sight covers, plucks magazine from forend, inserts, strokes silky straight-pull bolt, checks breath, sights, squeezes.... trigger finger flicks open bolt, thumb flicks bolt sleeve.... repeat. The rifle is unloaded at all times except for the few seconds (at each stage) it takes to engage 5 little steel disks @ 50 meters. A safety is more out of place on a Biathlon rifle than it is on a Vandalia trap gun. David Bradshaw
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Post by crazycarl on Dec 25, 2018 14:55:29 GMT -5
I'll jump in on the bandwagon for the CZ452. Amazing little rifles. My (former) .22lr 'American' with a nice 4-12x40 off a sandbag would shoot CCI Green Tag into 3/8" at 50yds.
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Post by JM on Dec 25, 2018 15:16:26 GMT -5
How about a shoulder stocked Contender with a match chambered barrel in the contour, material & length of your choice?
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Post by squawberryman on Dec 25, 2018 19:23:28 GMT -5
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Post by ezekiel38 on Dec 25, 2018 23:23:12 GMT -5
Wow, I need more time off from the job to go 22 shopping. A CZ bolt 22 looks like THE way to go.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 26, 2018 0:08:05 GMT -5
Were I to wade into the .22 rifle caper this evening, coming off an afternoon’s shooting in the hard North Freeze, having shot today a Savage bolt with iron sights, the report must include consideration for the Savage product. It is avails left hand, feeds smooth, shoots straight, or as straight as the presents shooter plies in bright sun with iron sights 25 degrees below freezing. This little stick has the Savage Accutrigger, a smart adaptation of the 2-stage trigger disdained for no literate reason in contemporary America, while at the same time a vehicle for beginners to hitch a ride on real ability.
The job of a .22 rifle is to lean in the corner until that slim adversity arrives, to then at that moment pounce.... David Bradshaw
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Post by AxeHandle on Dec 26, 2018 13:04:59 GMT -5
Tempted by the CZ here... Own a 527s in 300BO. It is a fine little rifle. If the current CZ rimfire gun had that single set trigger I'd have one..
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 29, 2018 9:15:46 GMT -5
Savage lists a left hand model----B22 F Left Hand----which retails for $279. Accutrigger, 10-round rotary magazine, 21-inch sporter barrel, composite stock with target type pistol grip, open sights, provision for scope mountain. We shot a Savage single shot .22LR, which came with micrometer-click aperture rear sight & globe front (with inserts) on Christmas day. A hard, single-digit cold, upon which the sun flared, striking the aperture sights to the detriment of precision. The combination of cold and bright sun defeated red dot opticals and peep sights, yet for the most part exerting minor distortion on open sight handguns and a pair of Leopold-Scoped rifles.
The Savage Accutrigger worked smoothly in the freezing cold, with clean LETOFF. I see the Accutrigger as a variant of the 2-stage concept, which put good safe triggers on millions of battle rifles, from which rifles sharpshooting otherwise would be impossible.
Savage also has a Mark II GL Left Hand at $242: stained hardwood stock, open sights, a 10-shot box magazine, Accutrigger, with the 21-inch button rifled barrel Savage seemingly plants on all its .22s.
I cannot vouch for Savage magazines, as I can for both CZ steel 5-shot and plastic 10-shot mags; and, of course, Bill Ruger’s avant guard 10-shot rotary magazine----inspired by the Mannlicher-Schoenauer and, especially, the Savage Model 99 rotary magazines. David Bradshaw
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Post by ezekiel38 on Dec 29, 2018 20:18:32 GMT -5
I'll look at the B22F Left Hand, David, thanks for the advice. Savage's model numbering system and product description, leaves me in the dark. Which isn't that tough to do come to think about it.
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