awp101
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Post by awp101 on Dec 7, 2017 18:39:08 GMT -5
I saw someone on RF has a a set of walrus ivory inserts as part of a package sale. Without doing any deep research (IOW reading an article on Wikerpedia), I wasn't aware that A): walrus ivory was a real thing and B): other types of ivory can be sold without restrictions. I think I've seen references to mammoth ivory being OK but I don't know if it's actually ivory or just called ivory.
If this is true, why aren't more people looking to walrus ivory to replace elephant? Is it cost? Availability? Is there some fundamental flaw that makes it less desirable than elephant?
I'm curious what the knowledgeable have to say...
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Post by gw425 on Dec 7, 2017 18:51:13 GMT -5
I had Pat Grashorn make me 3 sets of grips out of walrus ivory for 3 of my Smith and Wessons. They were not as expensive as elephant ivory, but they certainly weren't cheap and they looked fantastic. They look alot like elephant ivory. I think availability is an issue, as Pat only had enough for the 3 revolvers.
Greg
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Post by pacecars on Dec 7, 2017 19:22:42 GMT -5
You can buy or sell Ivory that was in the US before January 18, 1990
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Post by kings6 on Dec 7, 2017 20:34:20 GMT -5
The only fly in the oinment on the Jan 18, 1990 time frame is a number of states have now banned the sale of all ivory regardless of if it was imported properly years ago. Oregon joined these nefarious rank last year.
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Post by lscg on Dec 7, 2017 20:52:51 GMT -5
You can buy or sell Ivory that was in the US before January 18, 1990 that's not exactly true.
at this time elephant ivory can only be bought/sold to someone that resides in the same state you are in. and you have to prove it's age in some way. if I remember correctly Ivory can be sold across state lines if it is attached to something else (a handgun, inlays in a guitar) that is greater in value than the ivory.
Elephant Ivory can not be sold in NY, NJ, CA and HI.
Mammoth Ivory can be bought/sold either in state or out of state except for NY, NJ, CA and HI. I think Oregon is even trying to outlaw it.
Walrus Ivory predating the Dec. 21, 1972 law is legal to buy, possess, and sell. walrus ivory obtained after 1972 is not legal to buy or sell unless both parties are Eskimo.
Fossil Walrus Ivory is legal in most states as it pre-dates the 1972 ban. I don't remember for sure but it's probably illegal in NY, NJ, CA and HI.
Walrus is a very good material for grips but it's usually small so it's more suited for 1911 grips. I have seen Fossil walrus blanks large enough for a bisley but they're usually priced around $400-$500. add the cost the Grip maker will charge and it starts getting expensive. |
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Post by ezekiel38 on Dec 7, 2017 21:09:47 GMT -5
Thanks lscg, I've got a set of elephant ivory magnas on a Model 624 that was built in 1974. The gun was engraved and the magnas put on after the gun was engraved. When I purchased it, I shot it and still shoot it from time to time.
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Post by cas on Dec 7, 2017 21:22:53 GMT -5
Elephant Ivory can not be sold in NY, NJ, CA and HI. This makes me want to buy ivory grips because F' em!  |
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Post by contender on Dec 7, 2017 22:09:44 GMT -5
"This makes me want to buy ivory grips because F' em! " I agree!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by nolongcolt on Dec 7, 2017 22:15:32 GMT -5
Believe our libtard, moron of a Gov also banned all ivory sales in WA too. Don't get me started on ivory...
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Post by kings6 on Dec 7, 2017 22:40:38 GMT -5
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Post by dougphillips on Dec 7, 2017 23:21:34 GMT -5
[/p] Mammoth Ivory can be bought/sold either in state or out of state except for NY, NJ, CA and HI. I think Oregon is even trying to outlaw it.
I've been wondering about this for a while, being stuck behind enemy lines in NY. Can anyone explain this to me? I can kinda' understand the elephant thing. They're worried that elephants will get hunted to extinction because poachers are just killing them for their ivory. As far as I know, mammoths are ALREADY EXTINCT. For the most part they died out around ten thousand years ago. (When the majority of the Earth was still covered in ice several miles thick, before Capitalism and those evil Republicans started all this Global Warming stuff)
What good could banning mammoth ivory POSSIBLY do, other than making a bunch of dumb@$$ liberals feel good about themselves because they banned something called "Ivory"? Do they understand what ivory is? Do they understand that mammoths are already extinct?
It's like banning the possession of dinosaur fossils because there's an endangered lizard somewhere on the planet.
Am I overthinking this, or are they really that crazy?
Doug
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JM
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Post by JM on Dec 7, 2017 23:26:18 GMT -5
I remember when I thought $250-$300 for SAA Ivory grips was a LOT of money.  |
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Post by lscg on Dec 8, 2017 1:20:23 GMT -5
[/quote]Mammoth Ivory can be bought/sold either in state or out of state except for NY, NJ, CA and HI. I think Oregon is even trying to outlaw it. [/p]
I've been wondering about this for a while, being stuck behind enemy lines in NY. Can anyone explain this to me? I can kinda' understand the elephant thing. They're worried that elephants will get hunted to extinction because poachers are just killing them for their ivory. As far as I know, mammoths are ALREADY EXTINCT. For the most part they died out around ten thousand years ago. (When the majority of the Earth was still covered in ice several miles thick, before Capitalism and those evil Republicans started all this Global Warming stuff)
What good could banning mammoth ivory POSSIBLY do, other than making a bunch of dumb@$$ liberals feel good about themselves because they banned something called "Ivory"? Do they understand what ivory is? Do they understand that mammoths are already extinct?
It's like banning the possession of dinosaur fossils because there's an endangered lizard somewhere on the planet.
Am I overthinking this, or are they really that crazy?
Doug
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well they're definitely that crazy/stupid but in the end it's all about control. they'll take and take until it reaches the point where you can't even use the bathroom without big brother's permission.
the new ban won't save a single elephant. except for hunting trophies Elephant ivory has been banned from importation since 1990. (even trophies can't be imported now) hardly any poached ivory makes it's way into the US. most of it goes to Asia where they make carving's for rich folk and probably use it in their weird medicines. how is a interstate ban in America going to stop it from going to Asia? it's not.
same thing goes for Mammoth Ivory. how can banning something from an extinct animal help anything? it can't. it's all about control.
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Post by Stump Buster on Dec 8, 2017 1:43:33 GMT -5
[/p] Mammoth Ivory can be bought/sold either in state or out of state except for NY, NJ, CA and HI. I think Oregon is even trying to outlaw it.
I've been wondering about this for a while, being stuck behind enemy lines in NY. Can anyone explain this to me? I can kinda' understand the elephant thing. They're worried that elephants will get hunted to extinction because poachers are just killing them for their ivory. As far as I know, mammoths are ALREADY EXTINCT. For the most part they died out around ten thousand years ago. (When the majority of the Earth was still covered in ice several miles thick, before Capitalism and those evil Republicans started all this Global Warming stuff)
What good could banning mammoth ivory POSSIBLY do, other than making a bunch of dumb@$$ liberals feel good about themselves because they banned something called "Ivory"? Do they understand what ivory is? Do they understand that mammoths are already extinct?
It's like banning the possession of dinosaur fossils because there's an endangered lizard somewhere on the planet.
Am I overthinking this, or are they really that crazy?
Doug
[/quote] Because it's easier to sell "emotion" than "common sense and logic". I see the effects every day here in the occupied zone.  |
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Post by seak89 on Dec 8, 2017 2:18:22 GMT -5
Remember mammoth ivory has been buried in permafrost thousands of years and most cases has worked its way out to a river bank or Artic coastline. It takes real time to stabilize and a eight foot tusk is spendy. Smaller pieces that have chips off are much cheaper but they have chipped off once and may chip again but can be worked and even white men can fine it. Walrus ivory can only be harvested by certain peoples and to be sole it must be in some way art,Note a scrimshaw lighting bolt a inch long on the tusk could be called art and sold. The problem is the thousands of tourist that will pay hundreds of bucks just for a small piece with that lighting bolt and a tusk will make hundreds of those tiny pieces. A white man can walk the shoreline and find a walrus skull with tusk take and have it marked by feds and they can keep the tusk but not sell them but they could have grips made for them for their own use but only sold as estate sale after you are dead. Mammoth bone can be cheaper and make nice grips. My friend Chip Hailstone from life below zero show has a real knack for finding mammoth ivory but much of his family work ends up in top museums.
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