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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 29, 2018 12:59:38 GMT -5
Fermin has been walking me through this process with my Single Seven. We determined my cylinder throats aren't undersized. I did, however, have some loaded rounds that likely had been crimped too aggressively. Paying closer attention to my crimping seems to have cleared up some leading issues I was spotting. Thanks Fermin for the advice! Guys, if you don’t/won’t talk to me I can’t helps ya!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 8:47:13 GMT -5
Well, I'll talk to ya. Reading your article on gunblast and the posts here ( as well as our phone conversation) has been very helpful in understanding what make a revolver " right". I appreciate your assistance. My Ruger 44 Flattop will be running a while on the Hornady XTPs, as we discussed. She shoots them well. Need to try some .432 lead bullets soon... We didn't talk about my 5" M629 because it was off at S&W for warranty work (excessive cylinder gap), but it is back home with a new barrel. The cylinder gap is now .003". It shoots the same .430" Keith 250s that lead severely in the Ruger very well over 21.5 grains of IMR4227, with no leading. Here's one of my better groups from the rebarreled M629 with the 44 SPL load that leads the Ruger in as little as 10 shots. NO LEAD IN THE SMITH! Yeeeehawwww.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Mar 31, 2018 11:25:03 GMT -5
Very good news. The vast majority of Smiths I have measured do want a bit smaller bullet than the Rugers do. Lots of them are around .430" or so for best results. Some others will drive you bat shit crazy.
Again, if you need my help, ask. It's not easy to diagnose a sixgun from 1000 miles off, but at least I can help you eliminate some potential issues.
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Post by sixshot on Apr 18, 2018 2:53:49 GMT -5
Trust me on this, Fermin has a long back ground on working on cylinder throat demensions, fire lapping, polishing, etc. If he works on your gun you will get a fast turn around & a quality six gun in return. His work is outstanding.
Dick
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Post by Apples on Apr 19, 2018 10:51:20 GMT -5
Fellas, I can and do appreciate the potential benefits from fire-lapping. I've seen just enough written about it (including that from Seyfried) to want to give it a go. I'd like to start with my two blued 5-1/2" New Model flat top .44 Specials.
Seyfried used a 320 grit in the last story I read of his. Others suggest 400 and so on. I know one does not need go crazy with this. Whose kit, or, materials might I first use?
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Post by 2 Dogs on Apr 19, 2018 13:04:38 GMT -5
Fellas, I can and do appreciate the potential benefits from fire-lapping. I've seen just enough written about it (including that from Seyfried) to want to give it a go. I'd like to start with my two blued 5-1/2" New Model flat top .44 Specials. Seyfried used a 320 grit in the last story I read of his. Others suggest 400 and so on. I know one does not need go crazy with this. Whose kit, or, materials might I first use? I use and recommend the Beartooth kit. You have a private message from me.
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Post by Apples on Apr 20, 2018 10:55:14 GMT -5
Thank you, Fermin, for your help. It is appreciated. I'll gather what I need to proceed. Looking forward to the results.
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Post by Apples on May 4, 2018 18:05:53 GMT -5
Pressure lapping (fire lapping) kit from Beartooth is on the way, with lappin' bo0lits for a .41 and three .44s...
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 4, 2018 19:13:46 GMT -5
Ok, keep me advised.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 29, 2018 10:13:36 GMT -5
I was asked if I am still measuring/correcting cylinder throats. The answer is YES!
There is NO FLAT RATE. You only pay for work actually done. My last client sent three 45 Colt cylinders. I measured them and determined they simply needed to be uniformed. His cost was $45.00 for all 3 however sometimes a cylinder needs a lot more help. Let’s discuss it. PM me. Don’t put up with a revolver that leads!!
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Post by bula on Jul 30, 2018 8:02:55 GMT -5
Do the folks at BTB have kits for the 480's ? The website is currently outta bandwidth.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Jul 30, 2018 10:09:34 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure they would. I don’t have their phone number. Seems like I had to contact them via email last time.
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Post by lws on Aug 1, 2018 10:47:28 GMT -5
Bear tooth bullets. On their web site. 1-888-423-2786
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Post by akbman on May 15, 2019 22:26:54 GMT -5
Just got my 3 cylinders back from Fermin aka 2dogs, one he didn't touch as it was good to go, that was for the Bisley 480, the 2 45 Colt cylinders were nothing short of miracle work. I have an Accusport Bisley 5 1/2" SS, it shot jacketed bullets well, but loaded like a sewer pipe with cast, even my GC LFN bullets would lead, they were accurate, but not satisfactory, throats looked like they were threaded. The other is from the first Blackhawk I owned, picked up new when I returned from overseas to the State of Utah, a 4 5/8" blued beauty. Somewhere around 1999 or 2000, after owning it for 5 years, I had grown tired of the leading with the commercial cast bullets I was shooting, so I borrowed a throat reamer and pilot, needless to say, I am not a machinist. Fermin was able to salvage this cylinder without having to take it above .453 which I can definitely live with, as I am going to size all of my full size Ruger 45 bullets to .453. I will post a follow up range report this weekend, I am very excited to get both of these back in the game, I rarely shoot jacketed bullets these days, being an active caster, I have 5 molds for the 45 Colt and 454 Casull, looking forward to finding "the bullet".
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Post by akbman on May 18, 2019 22:47:31 GMT -5
Wow! Shot both of the 45s today, clean up was a breeze, and accuracy was definitely improved!
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