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Post by 2 Dogs on Sept 16, 2016 15:00:35 GMT -5
So Bob, we have done a good number of specialty slugs for particular sixguns. The Ruger Only 45 caliber cast slug comes to mind.
My question is, if we take into consideration all of the 44 Special Rugers out there along with all the customs Rugers in 44 special, what would a 640 design look like if we were to optimize it for the 44 special cylinder length? How heavy would it be, what would the maximum nose to crimp dimension be, etc....
Be interesting to see what you think.
Oh, and thanks for the .257640 from the bottom of my little pointy heart. And remember, no rest for the wicked....
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Post by Fowler on Sept 16, 2016 17:16:19 GMT -5
I like where you are going with this one Fermin...
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Post by 2 Dogs on Sept 16, 2016 19:27:31 GMT -5
In the meantime, the next time you guys have your Ruger 44 special out, slip an empty case into the cylinder and measure it from the base of the case to the front of the chamber. That way we can get an idea of how much nose to crimp length we can get away with here. The more guys who participate the better, especially you guys who have custom 44 specials.
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Post by fanofthefortyone on Sept 16, 2016 19:40:35 GMT -5
Does that include the 44 specials? I've got one by Alan Harton and another by Ben Forkin. Ronnie
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Post by 2 Dogs on Sept 16, 2016 19:42:45 GMT -5
Does that include the 44 specials? I've got one by Alan Harton and another by Ben Forkin. Ronnie Ronnie, the answer is yes, the customs do count as they may vary a bit as to length. My No5 for example has a longer and heavier cylinder for example. Thanks.
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Post by princeout on Sept 16, 2016 19:46:03 GMT -5
Fermin, Measured two different factory Ruger 44 Specials. From the outside of the chambered case to the end of the cylinder measured the same on both, one blued, one stainless. Both were 1.667".
No custom 44 Specials at the moment. Traded my Bowen for a Bowen Colt from Reconciler, here on the forum. Reconciler sold it later on. If we find the latest owner somehow, I've got the Bowen paperwork to send him!
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Post by Fowler on Sept 16, 2016 20:08:34 GMT -5
Measured 2 Ruger Flat tops and my old model #5.
Measured from the back of a loaded cartridge to the end of the cylinder.
Std model 44sp 1.667" Bisley model 44sp 1.670"
Old model Ruger Flat Top made into my #5 1.652"
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Post by boolitdesigner on Sept 16, 2016 20:27:38 GMT -5
So Bob, we have done a good number of specialty slugs for particular sixguns. The Ruger Only 45 caliber cast slug comes to mind. My question is, if we take into consideration all of the 44 Special Rugers out there along with all the customs Rugers in 44 special, what would a 640 design look like if we were to optimize it for the 44 special cylinder length? How heavy would it be, what would the maximum nose to crimp dimension be, etc.... Be interesting to see what you think. Oh, and thanks for the .257640 from the bottom of my little pointy heart. And remember, no rest for the wicked.... This idea has been already tried from light (190 gr.) to heavy (300 gr.) in BRP and MiHec molds. I have all of them and have tested them well. I'm a big fan of the 44 Special and have killed quite a few deer with it in various handguns and bullet weights. My favorite weight range is 215 to 225 grains with a big hollow point in the 44 Special. It looks much like the 257 Jack Rabbit bullet. Very effective kills and meets my states requirements for ft. lbs. at the muzzle. Heavier weights do not do as well due to lower velocity. Of course, we can see where this fits in the scheme of things since I have a lot of designs to check in my database.
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Post by lscg on Sept 16, 2016 20:28:21 GMT -5
my stock flat top measures 1.667" from the back of a loaded case to the front of the cylinder.
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Post by sal on Sept 16, 2016 23:31:19 GMT -5
Bisley Flat Top model 44 sp 1.667
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Post by 2 Dogs on Sept 17, 2016 12:26:46 GMT -5
So Bob, we have done a good number of specialty slugs for particular sixguns. The Ruger Only 45 caliber cast slug comes to mind. My question is, if we take into consideration all of the 44 Special Rugers out there along with all the customs Rugers in 44 special, what would a 640 design look like if we were to optimize it for the 44 special cylinder length? How heavy would it be, what would the maximum nose to crimp dimension be, etc.... Be interesting to see what you think. Oh, and thanks for the .257640 from the bottom of my little pointy heart. And remember, no rest for the wicked.... This idea has been already tried from light (190 gr.) to heavy (300 gr.) in BRP and MiHec molds. I have all of them and have tested them well. I'm a big fan of the 44 Special and have killed quite a few deer with it in various handguns and bullet weights. My favorite weight range is 215 to 225 grains with a big hollow point in the 44 Special. It looks much like the 257 Jack Rabbit bullet. Very effective kills and meets my states requirements for ft. lbs. at the muzzle. Heavier weights do not do as well due to lower velocity. Of course, we can see where this fits in the scheme of things since I have a lot of designs to check in my database. Bob, considering that we already have the 429215 GCHP by Miha in the 215-225 grain weight class, how did the 640 style bullet compare?
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Post by boolitdesigner on Sept 17, 2016 17:12:35 GMT -5
Fermin, the guy who thought up the 429215 wanted absolutely NO changes to the design and that was what was done. It has the standard Lyman unsupported nose. It could have used some as it doesn't shoot as well as the 640's. The Lyman 429383 on the other hand is a SUPERB accuracy bullet (but relatively useless for game) in the 44 Special, along with some others.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Sept 18, 2016 14:23:03 GMT -5
Fermin, the guy who thought up the 429215 wanted absolutely NO changes to the design and that was what was done. It has the standard Lyman unsupported nose. It could have used some as it doesn't shoot as well as the 640's. The Lyman 429383 on the other hand is a SUPERB accuracy bullet (but relatively useless for game) in the 44 Special, along with some others. Bob, thanks again. I would love to see a 44 Jackrabbit style slug!
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Post by hoover on Sept 18, 2016 15:33:12 GMT -5
Here's one I stumbled across Fermin. It is from a LEE .44 310 gr RFNGC with the GC shank milled off from the top of the mold. You end up with a 265 gr bullet with a meplat that is between a WFN and LFN. Only shot it with the Skeeter load and it was a winner in both guns. I would love a MIHA mold in this design. Got the idea from Scotty Boggs and he milled a mold for me.
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Post by edk on Sept 18, 2016 15:53:42 GMT -5
We already have the 434640...
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