Len
.30 Stingray
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Post by Len on Aug 17, 2009 15:00:01 GMT -5
This has been an interesting thread. Reeder has been accused of being: 1. Bi polar 2. High end gun builder 3. Low end gun builder 4. Lousy personality 5. Nice guy 6. Liar 7. Hand gun expert 8. Not as knowledgeable as he professes 9. Poor tastes 10. Highly opinionated 11. African hunting expert 12. Used parts thief. 13. What ever else I missed. All I can say is anyone who has read all this controversy and does business with him and encounters a problem has no business complaining. Len
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 17, 2009 15:16:10 GMT -5
Bottom line is to learn from it all. Don't go into any gun building arrangement with your eyes closed.. Know what you want and know the right questions to ask.... Don't be afraid to take your business somewhere else..
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cubrock
.401 Bobcat
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Post by cubrock on Aug 17, 2009 15:19:02 GMT -5
Bottom line is to learn from it all. Don't go into any gun building arrangement with your eyes closed.. Know what you want and know the right questions to ask.... Don't be afraid to take your business somewhere else.. ;D Excellent advice, no matter what custom maker you choose.
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Post by CraigC on Aug 17, 2009 17:45:57 GMT -5
It doesn't take a genius to figure out the two clicks on a new model are less prone to timing irregularities than an 'old model' ruger or a Colt SAA. The only extra click is the half cock notch, don't know why you'd think that would make it more prone to timing issues??? I wouldn't really lend any credibility to Reeder's statement on the issue. I think it was made purely out of ignorance. I've heard of far more reports of transfer bars breaking on New Models than anything of the sort on Old Models.
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Len
.30 Stingray
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Post by Len on Aug 17, 2009 18:59:00 GMT -5
This thread can go on forever some will defend him others will critique him.
No amount of negotiations or contracts would remedy the fact that he gave me bad information in order to get rid of me.
The short of it is I bought a .510 as well as dies and brass. The die was over sized and would not reduce the case enough to tightly hold the bullet it would move down with light finger pressure! Reeder sent me a replacement die only after he had received the original one I returned. It had the same problem, he then told me "to quit worrying about it and rely only on the crimp" If you know anything about reloading you know that even case tension is important. Don't believe me, even Bowen references this in his fine book. I phoned Hornady and they after examining my die agreed and determined the brass Reeder originally sent them to design the dies from was from a different manufacture and bit thicker. They re-made a die at their expense. All of this BS wasted a couple of months.
I have absolutely no respect for this man!
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tomf
.240 Incinerator
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Post by tomf on Aug 17, 2009 19:16:06 GMT -5
I've talked to two well known gunsmith custom builders that I didn't care for, one of handguns, one of rifles. I simply bought from craftsmen whose phone personalities were enjoyable and informative.
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Post by the priest on Aug 17, 2009 21:37:20 GMT -5
Craig,
It's an 'accepted' carry over from the Colt SAA. Hence Flatlander's reference to JT getting twitchy.
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Len
.30 Stingray
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Post by Len on Aug 19, 2009 10:43:34 GMT -5
"Get off the cutting edge then. Stuff like this happens... "
ONLY ONCE, AS THEY SAY SCREW ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU SCREW ME TWICE SHAME ON ME!
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Post by whitworth on Aug 20, 2009 12:02:27 GMT -5
Well, for me customer service plays a role. If you don't respect me enough to at the very least be polite, then you don't deserve my business or my hard-earned money. JMHO.
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Post by TEXASFIVEGUN on Aug 20, 2009 12:08:19 GMT -5
There are gentlemen whom I can deal with so why would I want to deal with less of a man.
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Post by whitworth on Aug 20, 2009 12:20:05 GMT -5
There are gentlemen whom I can deal with so why would I want to deal with less of a man. Exactly!
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cubrock
.401 Bobcat
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Post by cubrock on Aug 20, 2009 13:09:29 GMT -5
"Get off the cutting edge then. Stuff like this happens... " ONLY ONCE, AS THEY SAY SCREW ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU SCREW ME TWICE SHAME ON ME! Len, I didn't mean that to be rude, but it kind of was. sorry. I just don't see that sequence of events as being all that unusual, considering sometimes stuff just happens, with no one really understanding why, until you trace it back. I remember having to wait 3 months to get a firing pin for a rifle I bought from CZ, because either the gunsmith, or CZ, couldn't seem to communicate what rifle needed what firing pin. I think you might look at that, and see no one really was at fault, and, the different folks sorted out your problems. Can't ask for much more. Also, we need more high quality gunsmiths. They don't have to be nice, they really just need to be good. We put up with rude doctors that haven't developed socially. Why not a bit more forgiveness towards gunsmiths? I don't put up with rude doctors. There are plenty of good ones out there who are polite. Same goes for gunsmiths. Tommy Haas was a gunsmith and gunmaker that probably isn't equaled by today's crowd. He was also a first-class crook. Do we need more guys like him simply because they are good? I put honesty first and politeness right behind it. Skill comes third. There are plenty of world-class smiths in this country who have an abundance of all three.
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Post by whitworth on Aug 20, 2009 13:31:18 GMT -5
I have to add that I would rather pay a little more and be treated well. Plus, if you do me right, you will not only get repeat business, but I will recommend you.......
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Post by CraigC on Aug 20, 2009 13:32:12 GMT -5
This ain't the 1920's. There are plenty of skilled gunsmiths available to us who are also gentlemen who know how to treat customers. Hell no, we don't have to put up with people like Reeder if we don't want. The way he treated Len after buying an expensive custom gun in HIS proprietary chambering is inexcusable and unforgiveable. Unfortunately, it's rather common with Reeder. Start talking about Reeder and people come out of the woodwork with negative experiences with the man.
On the flipside, of all the well known sixgunsmiths we commonly use, I've on heard one person say anything negative about two of them. That is Santilli's rant about Linebaugh and an unknown who had a problem with Bowen several years back. The one customer Bowen couldn't satisfy which from every angle, looked to be the customer's fault, not Bowen's.
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Post by whitworth on Aug 20, 2009 14:09:38 GMT -5
I couldn't agree with you more. We have options today.......
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