tarfu
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Post by tarfu on May 12, 2009 21:09:15 GMT -5
[quote author=bowenbuilt board=sas thread=95 post=427 As I gather up all of Venturino's books for the trash can let me say that I have never been more offended and insulted and if this was what was intended you did a damn fine job.
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tell you what , i've never read any of mikes stuff , if you want to do it , i'll pay for the shipping , and if they are as bad as you say they'll be ground up for kitty litter...
you've got me curious what this dude is like ...
i've never had a 44spl incl a charter arms bulldog that wasnt a good to great shooter...
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Dennis
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Post by Dennis on May 12, 2009 21:16:04 GMT -5
Here's the thing about the 44 Special....simply put, it's a staight walled revolver round. No different than any other straight walled revolver round. For some reason it's been branded with a level of mystique uncommon to other handgun cartridges. In the right gun it's an extremely accurate round. But in the right gun so is the 357 Magnum, 45 Colt, 44 Magnum, etc, etc. -Lee Lee, very well put and true but I’m afraid it’s falling on a lot of deaf ears. Dennis. |
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Post by the priest on May 12, 2009 21:26:07 GMT -5
The funny thing about the cartridge that made it so popular wasn't JUST the ctg,....it was the relationship with the ctg AND the handgun it was mated to. One specific shooter. That's the part people are REALLY missing. And all of this was done before modern steels blew that combo out of the water.
To each their own though,....we all have our favorites. I've always had a soft spot for blondes. ;D ;D
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Post by 2 Dogs on May 12, 2009 21:43:43 GMT -5
Its all a stunt to stir up some controversy. Some gun writers have done that sort of thing from time to time. Venturino is probably a nice enough guy and I have several of his books, but his work is FAR from being my favorite. I will tell you this, if Venturino wants to sell em, I will buy all his 44 specials. I bet I could do better.
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Post by vulcanbob on May 12, 2009 22:29:39 GMT -5
I agree with shooter01, a little controversy sells copy. I like the Duke well enough but he's no John Taffin, Chuck Taylor or Clint Smith.
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Sarge
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Post by Sarge on May 13, 2009 1:08:57 GMT -5
The object was not so much to gain readers, as it was to gain attention. Controversy is one of the surest methods to do that, as well as to cover for the inability to fill the boots of those who went before you.
I don't read much in the way of gun magazines these days. When you grew up reading the work of Skelton, Askins, Keith and Cooper-not to mention Pat McManus and Gene Hill- that's a pretty hard act to follow.
I believe it was Wiley Clap who penned an article, a decade or so ago, enumerating the pistol cartridges which he deemed no longer worthy of production. I note that the majority sill exist, but you don't read much Wiley anymore.
I do like Guns of the Old West (or whatever it's called) and Shoot! magazine. I generally only buy those when there's an article or two on guns that particularly interest me.
PS- Why the hell do I have that little WalMart smiley-head thing in my ID banner? Somebody take a hammer to that thing.
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Post by AxeHandle on May 13, 2009 7:14:16 GMT -5
Think back to this negative 45 Colt article he wrote..... Wasn't it followed up the next month with a rebuttal from a 45 Colt advocate... Some fruitcake out there that didn't even know what a 44 Special was is going to read that stuff and buy my next Lipsey's 44 out from under me for MSRP! And another 44 Special fan will be born!  |
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Post by angryman on May 13, 2009 7:54:56 GMT -5
Funny, last night I was reading a couple of articles in The Best of Shooting Times. The first article was by Charlie Askins who said that "6-Guns Are Clunks". The next article is by Bill Jordan, coming back at Charlie. I'm sure this is the same type if thing. I tell you, I sure enjoy reading Skeeter's articles. I've started collecting them since I can't buy his books right now. I enjoy reading Clint Smith and Alex Hamilton, but if it weren't for JT's column, I probably wouldn't buy American Handgunner.
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Post by the priest on May 13, 2009 7:59:31 GMT -5
Think back to this negative 45 Colt article he wrote..... Wasn't it followed up the next month with a rebuttal from a 45 Colt advocate... Some fruitcake out there that didn't even know what a 44 Special was is going to read that stuff and buy my next Lipsey's 44 out from under me for MSRP! And another 44 Special fan will be born! There were a series of rebuttals IIRC. (One by JT perhaps.  ) Along with a PILE of reader comments and a Jerry Springer episode of drama was consequently created. |
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Post by spurrit on May 13, 2009 8:08:09 GMT -5
Here's the thing about the 44 Special....simply put, it's a staight walled revolver round. No different than any other straight walled revolver round. For some reason it's been branded with a level of mystique uncommon to other handgun cartridges. In the right gun it's an extremely accurate round. But in the right gun so is the 357 Magnum, 45 Colt, 44 Magnum, etc, etc. -Lee www.singleactions.comLee, I agree; In reading "Sixguns by Keith", I've noticed in several spots that he'll state something as fact, such as light, fast bullets shooting low, and heavy, slow bullets shooting high, but then says this isn't true of the .44 special?!? WTH? Could it be that ole' Elmer, who made a buttload of money campaigning for the .44 special and magnum handguns might have taken his bottom line in mind when he was proseletising to people in the general public who take the info in gun mags. as gospel? |
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Post by spurrit on May 13, 2009 8:10:16 GMT -5
Don't throw those books away...put 'em in a box with a target on the front & shoot 'em, turn them into confetti! ;D LOL ....with a heavy for caliber .45 Colt loaded to Ruger only velocity! ;D |
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Post by spurrit on May 13, 2009 8:20:08 GMT -5
The object was not so much to gain readers, as it was to gain attention. Controversy is one of the surest methods to do that, as well as to cover for the inability to fill the boots of those who went before you. I don't read much in the way of gun magazines these days. When you grew up reading the work of Skelton, Askins, Keith and Cooper-not to mention Pat McManus and Gene Hill- that's a pretty hard act to follow. Venturino should write about things other than guns; the only gun articles in which he does any good are the ones where he's merely giving his impressions of a new gun on the market. Most of his opinion articles are just crap, and the ones where he goes on a "hunt" are a farce. He only uses factory ammo, and doesn't use enough of it to form an opinion, and I imagine they have to drag whatever animal he shoots up to his chair, where he MIGHT set down his sandwich to shoot it. I generally skip his articles, but LOL at the pics of his big behemoth butt holding the tiny pocket guns he's constantly espousing for CCW. As big as he is, he could easily conceal a Taurus Raging bull under on of his boobs! |
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Post by Frank V on May 13, 2009 18:17:55 GMT -5
Years ago when reading Charles Askins I used to get upset with some of his articles, some were really stirring the pot. I got to where I actually looked foreward to seeing just what 'ole Charlie would jump on next. I still miss him & most of the other authors who wrote in his era. Maybe Mike is doing the same thing? Till this last article I saw very few bashing Mr. Venturino. Thanks Frank
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mutt
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Post by mutt on May 13, 2009 18:52:34 GMT -5
I thought Mikes pick of the litter was the 44.40 . Seems, if I remember right he has in the past bragged on this round several times. I think too that his lovely wife likes this round also. Personally, I thought he was just trying to get the other guy's goat a little. Any how I really like the mag . And some of his tales and all the photos . . Just my 2/cents ....
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Post by Mountaineer on May 13, 2009 19:01:23 GMT -5
Though I adamantly disagree with his premise, I feel fairly confident that Venturino is being intentionally provocative and that he doesn't believe what he wrote any more than we do. For that matter, it is entirely possible that Huntington put him up to this blasphemy just to start a storm. And it worked.
All that being said, I agree with bowenbuilt that if Elmer Keith were living, he'd probably drive over to the Venturino ranch for the express purpose of slapping the s*** out of him. From a 110 year old cowboy nonetheless! (I don't even want to think of what Skelton would do)
I still like Venturino. I think there's hope for him. He just needs a good waterboarding, that's all...
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) Along with a PILE of reader comments and a Jerry Springer episode of drama was consequently created. 
