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Post by dougader on Jul 22, 2013 19:50:43 GMT -5
Yeah, please don't kill the round before I can afford to get one!
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Post by curmudgeon on Jul 28, 2013 16:30:34 GMT -5
AXE, you don't headspace in two places on a belted case. HS on the belt only. Instead of shoulder or median line.
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Post by squawberryman on Jul 28, 2013 18:03:30 GMT -5
Here's a silly thought. FA ain't going out of business therefore the brass availability for a manufacturers specific caliber (500WE) will always be available. That's not the silly thought. The silly thought is: FA going out of business is as likely as USFA...... (insert thought)
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Post by subsonic on Jul 28, 2013 19:07:21 GMT -5
When I get .500JRH BFRs they all sell within 3 days for a premium over most other calibers. I would not look for them to be cleared out! Lol!
A case trimmer is not that hard to use.
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Post by AxeHandle on Jul 29, 2013 9:04:12 GMT -5
The more 500JRHs we get out there the greater the demand for brass will be. All 500JRH shooters will benefit from that. No BFR 500JRH here yet...but there will be when the newness wears off.. Note I did write "No BFR 500JRH." My first 500JRH showed up as a FA..
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Post by curmudgeon on Jul 29, 2013 11:23:14 GMT -5
AXE, scuse me that Is Datum line not median
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Post by whitworth on Jul 29, 2013 14:37:38 GMT -5
The more 500JRHs we get out there the greater the demand for brass will be. All 500JRH shooters will benefit from that. No BFR 500JRH here yet...but there will be when the newness wears off.. Note I did write "No BFR 500JRH." My first 500JRH showed up as a FA.. Love that revolver Axe! Axe, I got my first BFR in .500 JRH three years ago -- don't wait for the "newness" to wear off, LOL!
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Post by dmize on Aug 7, 2013 22:48:26 GMT -5
WTH? ALL brass is hard to get right now.Even worse than when I made my 480 post LAST October. I can guarantee without a doubt that there is a ton more 500 S&W brass floating around out there than either 500WE and 500JRH COMBINED. Honestly,considering the price of even a box of 45 Colt ammo,who in the hell is going base the decision of buying a $900 BFR or a $2,300 FA based solely on the availability of "factory" loaded ammo?
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Post by whitworth on Aug 8, 2013 6:23:40 GMT -5
WTH? ALL brass is hard to get right now.Even worse than when I made my 480 post LAST October. I can guarantee without a doubt that there is a ton more 500 S&W brass floating around out there than either 500WE and 500JRH COMBINED. Honestly,considering the price of even a box of 45 Colt ammo,who in the hell is going base the decision of buying a $900 BFR or a $2,300 FA based solely on the availability of "factory" loaded ammo? I agree completely!
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Post by Lee Martin on Aug 8, 2013 8:09:35 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone makes such a fuss about 500 Wyoming brass. When I bought mine I called FA and ordered 500 shells. They arrived 5 days later. Last week I purchased four more boxes of 64 count.....they arrived yesterday. And unlike some of the major supply houses Freedom has the stuff. The chance of any of us (myself included) wearing out 200 - 300 of Wyoming Express is slim. We can "what if" this to death but it's really simple. If you want a Wyoming and are worried about availability buy some brass. If you end-up not getting the gun sell the hulls down the road. Ironically, right now it's easier to get Wyoming than JRH or S&W. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by whitworth on Aug 8, 2013 10:35:44 GMT -5
Midway has Hornady .500 Smith brass available if anyone is interested......
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 21, 2013 9:51:27 GMT -5
Just catching up on this brass caper. Curmugeon is correct on DATUM LINE, aka bottleneck cartridge headspace. The datum line is measured from casehead to midline of the shoulder. A case stretch problem arrises with belted bottleneck cases when tolerances for the datum line are held sloppy during case forming, and a full house load is touched off at first firing. That results in stretch above the web. In other words, the belt has allowed ammo makers to alibi slop in properly headspacing belted bottleneck cases.
The headspace issue with a belted straightwall case is settled when belt is consistent, case-to-case, and chamber countersinks in cylinder are consistent. A secondary issue would arise, were the front edge of the belt to peen from repeated blows of firing pin to primer. As Freedonm Arms is famous for firm chamber fit, and providing brass likewise conforms, I would think that belt headspace should hold.
As I haven't a .500 Wyoming Express, this is my al-cosmic visualization, no more. I'd sure like to know from you guys throwing the lead. David Bradshaw
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Post by Lee Martin on Sept 21, 2013 15:59:34 GMT -5
The one thing I do like about the 500 WE over JRH brass is it'll take 500 grain bullets. I just had mine out and it continues to sling the heavier weights well. My best group from this morning @ 50 yards: I started with 100 pieces of virgin Wyoming and today was the eighth reload. No issues with the belt or headspacing to report.....the brass is outstanding. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by cmh on Sept 21, 2013 16:37:13 GMT -5
Nice group Lee
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Post by bradshaw on Sept 22, 2013 8:28:33 GMT -5
Lee.... I call that beautiful shooting. In discussions of headspace with Bill Ruger, senior and junior, I was told it simplifies production to headspace off the rear flat of the cylinder. Counterbores for rims, or belts, requires holding same depth on all chambers. I've never seen a problem with counterbored chambers in a Ruger or S&W. On a heavy recoiling single action, it is wise to support the loading gate with counterbored chambers or cartridge case. David Bradshaw
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