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Post by subsonic on Nov 4, 2011 16:56:14 GMT -5
I like my .475 BFR, and would rather have a .500JRH than a .500L
As always, YMMV. I don't think there's a wrong choice - other than not buying either of them!
I can't see a scenario where I would need MORE punch than the .475 offeres, unless Jurassic Park is not just a movie, and then I'm skipping the .500L in lieu of a .500 S&W with those 750gr things and a wrist brace as a backup to my Barrett.
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Post by AxeHandle on Nov 4, 2011 18:23:53 GMT -5
It is a silly little .025 from .475 to .500. Then there is .035 from the .475 the .510 bore 500L... All are pretty danged close. Not a lot of varity around the .475 and .510 of the 500L. Quite a few .500 choices with 50AE, 500WE, 500JRH, 500 S&W, 50 Special. What does it mean?
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Post by dmize on Nov 4, 2011 18:52:52 GMT -5
Okay Axe Old Buddy, I ask this out of respect of a person that has fired all of the above. IF a person/BIG bore fan has X amount of dollars should they go for a 475 Linebaugh or one of the 500 somethins? BTW I looked at a short barrell "5 or 6 in" X frame S&W for $1,000 today.
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Post by kaytod on Nov 4, 2011 20:17:41 GMT -5
Well a little tongue in cheek is this. Anything .40 and over works. I've shot both the 475 and 500 Linebaugh. I prefer the 500 as it does the same work with less pressure. Seyfried called it "sluggish" which I believe is a perception. John likes to hold the pressures to 30K or less, yet Hodgdon published data up to 35k and they're not "sluggish". One friend used loads up to 40K in his 500 Max and it will flat turn on!
The best way to describe the difference between the 475 and 500 is this. If you like the 44 mag, you'll like the 475. If you like the 45 colt for what it does compared to the 44, you'll love the 500 Linebaugh. Comparitavely they are just scaled up versions of the two, albiet a crude analagy.
I've not been around the .500 caliber stuff much other than the occasional 50 AE and 500 Smith. From what I've seen the 500 Linebaugh does the same work as the .500 1.4's with about 7-9000 psi less chamber pressure. This is not to be argumentitave, just an observation. Any of them will work fine. So what is your preference, blue , red, or black? You can't go wrong with any of them.
My wife likes her 475 Linebaugh. ( nice girley gun, haha) but wants her own 500 Linebaugh. She can shoot both quite well with full house loads.
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Post by AxeHandle on Nov 4, 2011 20:36:01 GMT -5
I did my X frame stuff. Gun is way to big for me. IMHO you can have a 475 or any of the .500 bore guns but if you don't have a .510 bore you will always wonder what you might be missing!
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Post by dmize on Nov 4, 2011 21:01:05 GMT -5
Kaytod,right now I'm leaning hard towards a 475 BFR. And Axe,thanks for clouding the water yet again....... And FWIW,the grip on that 460 fit me a lot better than a SRH and especially a BH,I can grip it fine and bottom 2 fingers dont fall under the grip
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Post by bigbores on Nov 4, 2011 23:19:23 GMT -5
Lets not forget about bigger holes means less weight, My 6" barreled 500L handles better and weights less than my 5.5" 475L.
Keep in mind if you don't cast your own, 475s and 500s are easier to feed than the bigger 500L.
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Post by edk on Nov 4, 2011 23:51:25 GMT -5
What kaytod had to say by way of analogy was appreciated. I agree that the relationships discussed have a ring of truth to them. Really though isn't such a picture able to be drawn between any two adjacent big bores? For example a 475 at a relatively soft 25-30Kpsi will do more work than any Ruger-level 45 Colt load. Similarly I like to load a LFN in a 44 mountain gun to 1100fps. It will do most anything I need to get done and it does it in stride where a 41 mag would have to be pushed pretty good to match it. Therein lies the beauty of the big bores: their flexibility.
Shame on me - I even use a FA model 83 in 454 charged with HS-6 topped with a 300gr cast bullet for a load that would confound anyone who insists 454 must have fast, sharp recoil. Don't tell anyone!
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Post by kaytod on Nov 5, 2011 1:55:13 GMT -5
edk is right. All the big bores will do a lot of work, even with reduced loads and be pleasureable to shoot.
At John's seminars the "standard" test load is a 44 mag with a 250 Keith at 1200fps. The load will do right at 25 inches of penetration in wet paper. I've shot homecast LEE 400gn RF's in the 475 at 620 fps with trailboss that went 29" and the same bullet at 1060 with Unique that went 39". Both loads are mild with the trail boss being a mere pop load. Lots of work with little fuss.
The BFR 475 is a great value. If you go that way, you'll have a lot of fun.
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Post by lloydsmale on Nov 5, 2011 4:15:46 GMT -5
When it comes to penetration between the two the load and bullet used has more to do with which does best then which one of the two you choose. Same goes for recoil. Load them like john recomends and the 475 has a sharper recoil but load the 500 up to its top potential and it will recoil heavier then the 475. I like them both and would be hard pressed to choose if i had to only have one. the 500 is defineatly capable of a step up in power from a 475 but the 475 having a smaller case is a bit better if you want to download and a bit less finiky to load overall. . I really dont think any game animal hit in the same spot with either at the same power level would know the differnce. One big advantage the 475 has is brass is cheaper, it uses less powder and theres more bullets and molds available for it and carbide dies can be easily obtained so its a bit easier to load progressively. The advantage the 500 has is being its a 50 cal and bigger its just cooler and the fact that it is only available in a custom platform gives it an additional cool factor.
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Post by subsonic on Nov 5, 2011 7:17:49 GMT -5
Lloyd has some good points. I would only add thatmy local Cabelas has both .480 and .475 ammo on the shelf. None of the others mentioned. So if that matters to you, it's another plus for the .475.
It's comforting for me to know that if I was away on a hunt and misplaced my handloads, there's a decent chance I might be able to find ammo that will chamber and kill stuff.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 5, 2011 13:08:59 GMT -5
Lloyds points are the correct points. Few, including me have the experience Lloyd, Chuck Smith, and Al Anderson have with the top end loads in these guns. Now, having shot Al Andersons top end loads in his 4" 500 Linebaugh Bisley Vaquero I can assure you they are NOT sluggish whatsoever.
Both can easily be loaded down and both are very accurate. So obviously the solution is to have both!
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Post by whitworth on Nov 5, 2011 13:17:03 GMT -5
So obviously the solution is to have both! Haha! I like your way of thinking!
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Post by maxcactus on Nov 5, 2011 13:45:38 GMT -5
I can't add anything new to this thread but that video of Chad shooting his Bisley (in .500 L I'm assuming) offhand @ 150 yards is pretty illustrative of the recoil that can be generated with stout-ish loads in that caliber! Hot dang, hold on tight! I find these discussions interesting considering the .357 Mag was brand new 75 years ago and was considered "too much" by some and the .44 M was still 20 years from reality. We've come an awful long way since then. Makes you wonder how dedicated sixgun aficionados survived when the only options in caliber weren't much more than .44WCF, .44 Spl. & 45 Colt.
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Post by lloydsmale on Nov 5, 2011 15:18:00 GMT -5
anyone that has shot Als loads in his 500 will attest that the 500 definately comes back at you more then the 475 when there both loaded to there full potential. Fermin i dont even care to shoot those loads!! Its comical when we were shooting together one day. We both had our 500s out and were shooting at steal. There was a steady boom boom boom. then all of a sudden there was a crack that even had a differnt tone to it. I looked at him and he was smiling. I think it was a 450 grain bullet and 32 grains of 110 he was shooting. Now common sense would tell a guy that that load would be stout and believe me it was. Common sense would also tell you that the 475 shooting a 400 ahead of 27 grains of the same powder isnt going to recoil as much. Lloyds points are the correct points. Few, including me have the experience Lloyd, Chuck Smith, and Al Anderson have with the top end loads in these guns. Now, having shot Al Andersons top end loads in his 4" 500 Linebaugh Bisley Vaquero I can assure you they are NOT sluggish whatsoever. Both can easily be loaded down and both are very accurate. So obviously the solution is to have both!
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