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Post by Bear Claw Chris Lappe on Sept 10, 2011 16:56:11 GMT -5
Trying to do some historical research, and am hitting some roadblocks.
What was the first year that a Winchester lever action was available in 45 Colt?
IIRC, it wasn't that long ago was it?
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Post by Stump Buster on Sept 10, 2011 17:10:31 GMT -5
Bear Claw,
I think it was in the mid-late 80's with the 94AE series. I have a pre-crossbolt 94AE Trapper in 45 Colt that I'll try and find the manufacture date for to give you a starting point. May be tomorrow or Monday before I can dig up the info, so you might have a reply by then. Either way, I'll see what I can find out on my end.
Good luck and please let us know if you have any updates.
Stump
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Post by Bear Claw Chris Lappe on Sept 10, 2011 18:42:36 GMT -5
Thanks, this is for a short story I'm working on, set in the 1880's, and I see several authors saying "his Colt and Winchester were both chambered in 45 Colt", which I didn't think Winchester did back then, but since I'm not by any means a Winchester historian, I thought I'd make sure.
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Post by wickerbill on Sept 10, 2011 19:25:38 GMT -5
From everything I've read over the years, there was two reasons that Win. didn't chamber the 45 Colt. The first being the fact that it is named the 45 COLT. Colt was a competitor and they didn't want to advertise the name Colt. The second and I think the main reason is the 45 Colt case was a balloon head case and the extractor would rip the case head right off.
Bill
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Post by Stump Buster on Sept 10, 2011 23:51:41 GMT -5
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Post by Bear Claw Chris Lappe on Sept 11, 2011 13:15:23 GMT -5
^ me to, thanks for that link!
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Post by Fiveshooter on Sept 15, 2011 18:50:58 GMT -5
If my memory serves me right. Back in the Day The .45 Colt was a proprietary Cartridge. Colt did not allow other companys to Chaamber it. Mark
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Post by cable on Sept 16, 2011 18:32:29 GMT -5
From everything I've read over the years, there was two reasons that Win. didn't chamber the 45 Colt. The first being the fact that it is named the 45 COLT. Colt was a competitor and they didn't want to advertise the name Colt. The second and I think the main reason is the 45 Colt case was a balloon head case and the extractor would rip the case head right off. Bill Also the rim was even smaller then and with the baloon head, would not work reliably. this is almost certainly why colt did not offer the colt lightning pump in 45 colt, nor the colt burgess etc. |
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Post by nonpcnrarn on Sept 20, 2011 19:25:27 GMT -5
It amazes me how a little research would prevent a glaring mistake like the 45 Colt in the Mod 92. A pistol /carbine combo in 44-40 would work just as well in a western novel and at least be historically accurate.
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Post by Bear Claw Chris Lappe on Oct 2, 2011 8:29:18 GMT -5
It amazes me how a little research would prevent a glaring mistake like the 45 Colt in the Mod 92. A pistol /carbine combo in 44-40 would work just as well in a western novel and at least be historically accurate. Yep, I just finished "Brimstone", the last book by Robert B. Parker to feature the characters from Appaloosa, and even a prolific writer like Parker has a line near the end of "Virgil has his Colt pistol and his Winchester rifle, both in .45 caliber"..... Of course, though out all of his westerns, Parker constantly refers to his characters reloading Colt Single Action Army revolvers as "he opened the cylinder, removed the spent cartridges, replaced them with fresh ones, and closed the cylinder".  |
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Post by kaytod on Oct 2, 2011 8:34:16 GMT -5
At least the character didn't "slip the safety off on his revlover" like one of my wife's novels. She is now an avid mistake finder in books.
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Post by olgeorge on Oct 30, 2011 12:32:49 GMT -5
I believe that one reason they now chamber ,45 Colt in rifles is that the cases are now made with an extractor groove whereas the older cases had none. With the narrow rim and no groove there wasn't enough for the extractor to grab. They tend to ride over the extractors of top break and swing-out-cylinder revolvers. L. O. G.
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Post by akray on Oct 30, 2011 20:27:02 GMT -5
I had a Winchester Trapper in 45 Colt as much as in my sweaty paws earlier this summer. The deal was made and directions were had. I stopped at the ATM on the way over though and it came up "insufficient funds." It gets worse though, because the price would have been $250.00, and it was a nice condition one. I guess I must've bought something sooner that I wanted more, like a mortgage payment or something.
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Post by texashoosier on Oct 31, 2011 4:49:51 GMT -5
Could someone explain why an M1892 gets finicky when .45 Colt cartridges much over 1.60" are used, but the 1.76" .454 Casull will work thru supposedly the same action?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 21:50:52 GMT -5
The stop on the cartridge "lifter" is further forward on the 45 Colt guns, than on the 454 guns. I've had the same problem with 44 mags & heavy bullets. A good gunsmith should be able to relieve the stop a bit to improve functioning. I'm basing this on experiences with a Winchester '94, but I believe the same conditions apply to the '92 in these circumstances.
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