Larry Crow aka Mo Cyclone Introduction

[longoval]

Oct 1, 2024 10:16:51 GMT -5 Larry Crow said:

Long Oval, Thanks for inquiring. Pricing on accuracy enhancement stages. Stage 1, Is $120.00, Stage 2 is $165.00, Stage 3 is $465.00, Stage 4 is $595.00. All prices are not including return shipping and any parts that are used.
Thanks, Larry Crow

Thank you for posting and introducing yourself. I also appreciate your direct response to my pricing question. I look forward to do business with you in the future.

[Larry Crow]

John, I found the picture of the pistol that you came down to Branson to draw for the raffle. You guys put it on the cover of Shoot magazine and I believe it was in June, July of 2002. It was a 38-40. And 401 power mag. It certainly doesn't seem like it has been that many years ago, does it? One thing that I can say that we both have in common, that not everyone can say is that we have loving wives that have taken excellent care of us.
David, I've always enjoyed a robust discussion. That's how we learn new things. Even some philosophy from time to time is a good thing, I believe. I would like to share an experience that I had at Murray State College back in 2000. We were talking about the mechanics of the pistols. And as John Taffin has said on several occasions, that revolvers are a law unto themselves. And I have a story to back that up. My classes consisted of two weeks of customizing Ruger single actions and would have approximately 20 students. For this particular class was online boring revolvers such as 357, taking them up to a larger caliber without having to invest in a custom cylinder. This is not always a preferred way of building a custom revolver, starting out with a new cylinder, but one with existing charge holes. I believe this has made a very good platform to build off.
This particular class I started out with two 357 Ruger Blackhawks. I trued up the cylinders and fit to the frames. Then line boarded them to 44 special. The barrels that we had at that point I believe were either Douglas or Pack Nor, don't remember which. I cut an 8 “ piece off of a new blank. Then cut another 8 “piece off, right ahead of the other one. I turned them on centers with a lathe dog. Barrels were meticulously fit. I Taylor Throated and an 11° crown. With 20 students, I had around 1,500 .44 special cases from Starline. I allowed the students to pick their favorite load, and load about 75 each. With supervision, of course, some chose jacketed and some chose lead. We went to the range and mounted the pistol in a ransom rest. We set up two targets, one at 25 and one at 50 yards. Each student fired two groups at each distance with their favorite load. We put a wet towel on the barrel in between strings of fire. Soaked it down with ice water to keep it cool. After each got their shots in. We put gun #2 In the rest and completed the same procedure. When we finished, we went back into the classroom and laid out all the targets for comparison. I wished I would have kept the results, but I didn't. And I don't remember all of them, but out of the 20 there were approximately 3 that duplicated. The rest were off to some degree, some more than others, but this test did prove that the revolvers are a law unto themselves. Which was quite interesting to all the students. Good shooting Larry Crow

[boxhead]

This 5 shot 45 Colt I own is one of yours I believe.

[45MAN]

Oct 15, 2024 19:38:42 GMT -5 boxhead said:

This 5 shot 45 Colt I own is one of yours I believe.

NICE LOOKING GUN

[messybear]

Interesting stuff and welcome!
Do you remember approxamatly what size groups you were seeing with the 2 44 specials and the 20 students?

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[bigbore5]

Interesting. It's a shame Manson doesn't offer those reamers anymore.

[boxhead]

Oct 15, 2024 20:24:37 GMT -5 45MAN said:

Oct 15, 2024 19:38:42 GMT -5 boxhead said:

This 5 shot 45 Colt I own is one of yours I believe.

NICE LOOKING GUN

Larry,

Do you recall his build? It is marked Competitive Edge Gunworks.

[bigbore5]

I have a question about shooting with the Taylor throat.

Since powder coated bullets are common nowadays, many shooters, including myself, are shooting softer alloy bullets to take advantage of better performance from the readily available MP and NOE hollow point molds. For hollow points, my alloy has very little antimony and is around 10-11 bhn. My solid alloy is around 15 bhn for regular shooting.

Given the gradual taper of the Taylor throat to full lands, will it require harder alloy to prevent the bullet from skidding when it first engages the shallow lands?

[bradshaw]

Can’t answer about shallow grooves. Freebore doesn’t hurt powder coat. Larry says his reamers have a short 11-degree cone. If anything, I believe freebore allows for a very short cone. A very shallow cone requires firm chamber-to-bore alignment. Here’s the irony: in my experience, in the presence of some chamber-to-bore misalignment, freebore has a better chance of preventing bullet distortion.

I call deep throating into rifling FREEBORE, no matter its details. Have long thought Taylor throating meant a low-angle conical “freebore.” Apparently, Taylor throating is straight, same freebore. I call it freebore.

Many years ago Bench Rest shooters demonstrated beyond argument that a gradual LEADE transition from LAND to GROOVE is necessary for accuracy. Whether the leade itself is short, long, or freebored.
David Bradshaw

[bigbore5]

Thank you, Mr. Bradshaw. I am aware of the gradual lead of bench rest rifles. But my question was aimed at cast bullets specific to revolvers.

In a revolver, too soft of an alloy will skid when engaging the rifling in a normal throat, as you well know and have spoken of before. It just seems more likely to occur when first engaging a shallower lead into the full rifling to me.