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Post by Larry Crow on Oct 1, 2024 11:04:18 GMT -5
Welcome aboard Larry. I recognize your name from past articles and seeing it mentioned in various publications. A great bunch of guys here who keep discussions in the topics of firearms and who stay away from many non gun related topics. This is probably the largest group of custom revolver nuts you will find under one banner! Cherished Great Shooting Larry Crow .38-40. I've forgotten how to post photos but I would be happy to send it to somebody who can then posted here. John, You have been in our thoughts and prayers. I want to thank you for traveling from Idaho to Branson for the Branson shoot to draw for a custom pistol that I built for the club as a raffle gun. Yes, 38-40 is still my favorite. It was an honor to build you 38-40's. God Bless and Good Shooting Sir |
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Post by 45MAN on Oct 1, 2024 11:07:23 GMT -5
Welcome aboard Larry. I recognize your name from past articles and seeing it mentioned in various publications. A great bunch of guys here who keep discussions in the topics of firearms and who stay away from many non gun related topics. This is probably the largest group of custom revolver nuts you will find under one banner! Cherished Great Shooting Larry Crow .38-40. I've forgotten how to post photos but I would be happy to send it to somebody who can then posted here. JOHN: YOU MADE MY DAY BY POSTING  - REY "45MAN" GARZA |
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Post by squawberryman on Oct 1, 2024 12:50:39 GMT -5
Welcome sir.
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Post by bradshaw on Oct 1, 2024 22:18:49 GMT -5
Larry Crow.... thank you for your description of Taylor Throating, which sounds like
1) FREEBORE...
2) with a specified 1-1/2 degree leade.
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3) forcing cone cutter intrinsic to freebore reamer. (Please correct as necessary.)
Riflemen discovered some many years ago that a leade with low included angle imparts accuracy. Whereas, an abrupt leade degrades accuracy.
My introduction to revolver freebore came through Rod Sward, who ran the small factory in Virginia which manufactured the Virginian Dragoon for Sam Cummings (Interarms). Sward cut freebore in the barrels for the Silhouette Dragoon in .357 and .44 Mag. This shooter achieved excellent accuracy from these revolvers. Main impediment to practical accuracy, a tall, long arc hammer, with consequent long lock time.
From my experience, freebore has an easier time proving itself when the revolver's ORCHESTRA of DIMENSIONS is less than optimal. And a harder time proving itself when dimensions are tight. Freebore shows its ability to compensate when chamber-to-bore alignment is off (offset). Reckon we agree the FORCING CONE can make or break accuracy of the best barrel. Nothing saves an inaccurate barrel. Agree, also, the forcing cone is work for a lathe, not a hand tool.
Plenty of room for discussion.
David Bradshaw
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Post by x101airborne on Oct 2, 2024 6:43:56 GMT -5
Welcome Larry. You certainly bring a lot of knowledge to the table. You certainly have a "been there, done that" pedigree. I am just a farm boy that likes shooting stuff in the face so I have a lot to learn from you. You must forgive me when I ask stupid questions. LOL. Again, a warm South Texas welcome and hope you enjoy it here.
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Post by taffin on Oct 2, 2024 10:15:11 GMT -5
Hello. I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to this forum. My name is Larry Crow aka Missouri Cyclone. I ordered some grip frames and parts from Ronnie Wells at RW Grips and Ronnie recommended that I get involved on this site. I've been enjoying reading the post and great comments. I have been gunsmithing for over 40 years. I started building guns and shooting at the Bianchi Cup and then I went to USPSA and IDPA. I have built quite a few 38 supers. I have been doing a lot of single actions since the late 90s when I also started doing Cowboy Action shooting and using customized single action revolvers. I was building single action Ruger’s that would outrun customized 1911’s. That's easy to do with a perfectly timed single action because with a semi auto you have to wait for the slide to cycle. When I went to End of Trail in 2000, I got Octagon barrels approved, and my tight-fitting Single Actions were labeled as race guns. I've ended up with several World Champions shooting my guns. It is not uncommon for the top shooters to go through anywhere from 25-40,000 rounds a year in practice. All my single actions are built to the same specs as my Big Bore five shot revolvers are. I was on the Board of Directors at Murray State College and an Instructor, and I taught summer NRA Gunsmithing classes on customizing single action revolvers. We built octagon barrels, line bored cylinders and even built some new cylinders. In 2006, I designed and patented a floating bolt action rifle, with the CEG Tactical Action, with a floated barrel (I also patented the theory) which eliminated vertical stringing. Rangers were shooting 338 Lapua and at 1,000 yards were shooting 2 3/8” vertical. I've got Safari Club International members killing Prairie dogs at 1,800 yards. I also have been busy building Special OPS guns. My services include action work, custom barrels, oversized cylinder, master bluing, ransom rest testing, line boring, etc. I have 4 stages of accuracy enhancement programs. Stage 1: Remove the barrel, Taylor throat, to remove choking and rifling 1 ½ x bullet length. Crown barrel at 11° and lap the crown and forcing cone. Stage 2: Repeat number 1 plus uniform, the chambers and the throats in the cylinder and lap them in. Stage 3: Remove the barrel. Remove end shake that is normally found in the revolvers and set it at .001. Square the front of the cylinder in centers on the lathe. Fit oversized cylinder stop and weld a block in the frame for a tight lock up. Set the barrel back one to two threads to clean up the original forcing cone. Taylor throat a new 11-degree fresh cut forcing cone into the lathe. For concentricity and trueness, I have Taylor throating reamers in 32,38, 40,41, 44, 45, 475, 500 and .511. I am a firm believer in Taylor throating especially with factory barrels. Stage 4: All 3 stages- plus a Deluxe Action job, 2 1/2 lb. crisp break creep free trigger pull. It is very difficult to shoot good groups with a trigger that has a lot of creep and not a good break. This has been a successful service for a long time, without the expense of installing a new barrel. Look forward to answering any questions, Improving your single action experience. Have a blessed day. Larry Crow, Competitive Edge Gunworks.net. ceg@greenhills.net 660-322-0304 |
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Post by rrdrifter on Oct 2, 2024 12:01:54 GMT -5
Cherished Great Shooting Larry Crow .38-40. I've forgotten how to post photos but I would be happy to send it to somebody who can then posted here. John, You have been in our thoughts and prayers. I want to thank you for traveling from Idaho to Branson for the Branson shoot to draw for a custom pistol that I built for the club as a raffle gun. Yes, 38-40 is still my favorite. It was an honor to build you 38-40's. God Bless and Good Shooting Sir |
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Post by rWt on Oct 2, 2024 13:47:18 GMT -5
Welcome, Sir!
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Post by singleaction on Oct 2, 2024 15:19:45 GMT -5
Welcome Larry. I perused your old website many times, and looking back, I wish I had ordered your old how to videos. Your gunsmithing reputation is outstanding and well deserved. Glad to see you are still in the business!
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Post by bigbore5 on Oct 2, 2024 15:50:11 GMT -5
Welcome Larry. I perused your old website many times, and looking back, I wish I had ordered your old how to videos. Your gunsmithing reputation is outstanding and well deserved. Glad to see you are still in the business! How to video? Are they still available? |
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Post by Larry Crow on Oct 2, 2024 17:32:04 GMT -5
John, You have been in our thoughts and prayers. I want to thank you for traveling from Idaho to Branson for the Branson shoot to draw for a custom pistol that I built for the club as a raffle gun. Yes, 38-40 is still my favorite. It was an honor to build you 38-40's. God Bless and Good Shooting Sir |
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Post by singleaction on Oct 2, 2024 20:31:08 GMT -5
Welcome Larry. I perused your old website many times, and looking back, I wish I had ordered your old how to videos. Your gunsmithing reputation is outstanding and well deserved. Glad to see you are still in the business! How to video? Are they still available? I didn’t realize the sight was still up: competitiveedgegunworks.net/larry-crow-about |
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Post by Larry Crow on Oct 3, 2024 18:09:40 GMT -5
Hello. I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to this forum. My name is Larry Crow aka Missouri Cyclone. I ordered some grip frames and parts from Ronnie Wells at RW Grips and Ronnie recommended that I get involved on this site. I've been enjoying reading the post and great comments. I have been gunsmithing for over 40 years. I started building guns and shooting at the Bianchi Cup and then I went to USPSA and IDPA. I have built quite a few 38 supers. I have been doing a lot of single actions since the late 90s when I also started doing Cowboy Action shooting and using customized single action revolvers. I was building single action Ruger’s that would outrun customized 1911’s. That's easy to do with a perfectly timed single action because with a semi auto you have to wait for the slide to cycle. When I went to End of Trail in 2000, I got Octagon barrels approved, and my tight-fitting Single Actions were labeled as race guns. I've ended up with several World Champions shooting my guns. It is not uncommon for the top shooters to go through anywhere from 25-40,000 rounds a year in practice. All my single actions are built to the same specs as my Big Bore five shot revolvers are. I was on the Board of Directors at Murray State College and an Instructor, and I taught summer NRA Gunsmithing classes on customizing single action revolvers. We built octagon barrels, line bored cylinders and even built some new cylinders. In 2006, I designed and patented a floating bolt action rifle, with the CEG Tactical Action, with a floated barrel (I also patented the theory) which eliminated vertical stringing. Rangers were shooting 338 Lapua and at 1,000 yards were shooting 2 3/8” vertical. I've got Safari Club International members killing Prairie dogs at 1,800 yards. I also have been busy building Special OPS guns. My services include action work, custom barrels, oversized cylinder, master bluing, ransom rest testing, line boring, etc. I have 4 stages of accuracy enhancement programs. Stage 1: Remove the barrel, Taylor throat, to remove choking and rifling 1 ½ x bullet length. Crown barrel at 11° and lap the crown and forcing cone. Stage 2: Repeat number 1 plus uniform, the chambers and the throats in the cylinder and lap them in. Stage 3: Remove the barrel. Remove end shake that is normally found in the revolvers and set it at .001. Square the front of the cylinder in centers on the lathe. Fit oversized cylinder stop and weld a block in the frame for a tight lock up. Set the barrel back one to two threads to clean up the original forcing cone. Taylor throat a new 11-degree fresh cut forcing cone into the lathe. For concentricity and trueness, I have Taylor throating reamers in 32,38, 40,41, 44, 45, 475, 500 and .511. I am a firm believer in Taylor throating especially with factory barrels. Stage 4: All 3 stages- plus a Deluxe Action job, 2 1/2 lb. crisp break creep free trigger pull. It is very difficult to shoot good groups with a trigger that has a lot of creep and not a good break. This has been a successful service for a long time, without the expense of installing a new barrel. Look forward to answering any questions, Improving your single action experience. Have a blessed day. Larry Crow, Competitive Edge Gunworks.net. ceg@greenhills.net 660-322-0304 |
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Post by Larry Crow on Oct 3, 2024 18:10:29 GMT -5
Hello. I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to this forum. My name is Larry Crow aka Missouri Cyclone. I ordered some grip frames and parts from Ronnie Wells at RW Grips and Ronnie recommended that I get involved on this site. I've been enjoying reading the post and great comments. I have been gunsmithing for over 40 years. I started building guns and shooting at the Bianchi Cup and then I went to USPSA and IDPA. I have built quite a few 38 supers. I have been doing a lot of single actions since the late 90s when I also started doing Cowboy Action shooting and using customized single action revolvers. I was building single action Ruger’s that would outrun customized 1911’s. That's easy to do with a perfectly timed single action because with a semi auto you have to wait for the slide to cycle. When I went to End of Trail in 2000, I got Octagon barrels approved, and my tight-fitting Single Actions were labeled as race guns. I've ended up with several World Champions shooting my guns. It is not uncommon for the top shooters to go through anywhere from 25-40,000 rounds a year in practice. All my single actions are built to the same specs as my Big Bore five shot revolvers are. I was on the Board of Directors at Murray State College and an Instructor, and I taught summer NRA Gunsmithing classes on customizing single action revolvers. We built octagon barrels, line bored cylinders and even built some new cylinders. In 2006, I designed and patented a floating bolt action rifle, with the CEG Tactical Action, with a floated barrel (I also patented the theory) which eliminated vertical stringing. Rangers were shooting 338 Lapua and at 1,000 yards were shooting 2 3/8” vertical. I've got Safari Club International members killing Prairie dogs at 1,800 yards. I also have been busy building Special OPS guns. My services include action work, custom barrels, oversized cylinder, master bluing, ransom rest testing, line boring, etc. I have 4 stages of accuracy enhancement programs. Stage 1: Remove the barrel, Taylor throat, to remove choking and rifling 1 ½ x bullet length. Crown barrel at 11° and lap the crown and forcing cone. Stage 2: Repeat number 1 plus uniform, the chambers and the throats in the cylinder and lap them in. Stage 3: Remove the barrel. Remove end shake that is normally found in the revolvers and set it at .001. Square the front of the cylinder in centers on the lathe. Fit oversized cylinder stop and weld a block in the frame for a tight lock up. Set the barrel back one to two threads to clean up the original forcing cone. Taylor throat a new 11-degree fresh cut forcing cone into the lathe. For concentricity and trueness, I have Taylor throating reamers in 32,38, 40,41, 44, 45, 475, 500 and .511. I am a firm believer in Taylor throating especially with factory barrels. Stage 4: All 3 stages- plus a Deluxe Action job, 2 1/2 lb. crisp break creep free trigger pull. It is very difficult to shoot good groups with a trigger that has a lot of creep and not a good break. This has been a successful service for a long time, without the expense of installing a new barrel. Look forward to answering any questions, Improving your single action experience. Have a blessed day. Larry Crow, Competitive Edge Gunworks.net. ceg@greenhills.net 660-322-0304 |
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