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Post by singleaction on Sept 7, 2024 20:11:26 GMT -5
I’ve heard really good things about Standard Manufacturing SAA clones. I’m sure someone here will have something negative to say about them, but if I had $2k I could spend on a quality single action, I’d go with them. If I had $3k, or more, I find a NIB USFA “pre-war” model.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2024 20:16:01 GMT -5
I've also heard great things about them.
It's hard for me to buy a fixed sight gun anyways. It would have to be top quality.
My Ubertis are 4 Times as good as the Colt SAA at 1/4 the cost...
Sad and hope this changes...
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Post by armoredman on Sept 7, 2024 22:05:58 GMT -5
I have been working with CZ for decades and things have not gone well for the conglomeration. Everyone who worked at CZ during the hey days is gone, displaced with Colt execs. Many of the Colt execs who took the place of CZ execs are already fired, unable to replicate the CZ that went from a nobody Eurotrash company to an economic powerhouse of innovation and eCZellence.
What does this mean? Colt took over - everything you know about Colt for the last several years will not change. Everything we knew about CZ-USA will or already has changed. I wish you well with your Colt/CZ Group SAA - I have carried nothing but CZ for literally decades, and today for an SAA I would buy an Uberti.
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Post by marcruger on Sept 8, 2024 19:00:55 GMT -5
If you are looking for a Colt to use and shoot (some folks see shooting a Colt SAA blasphemy - ruins "collectibility"), then I would look for one made between 2004 and 2019 or pre-COVID. There were some 3rd Generation SAAs made between say, 1980 and 2003 that are fine guns, but there are a very large number that were absolute dogs (that looked pretty outside). Many of these new-in-box SAAs need an action job to be shootable, and some cannot be fixed without a lot of money being invested. I wouldn't buy a pre-2004 3rd Generation without holding it in my hand and checking it carefully. It seems like Colt got their act together about the time the removable bushing returned in '04. During COVID and after there are some Colt guns with odd case hardening, and other issues I am sure are due to the workforce issues.
I am fortunate to have friends with recent Colt SAAs and Standard Manufacturing Single Action Revolvers. I have shot two of each quite a bit and several thousand rounds. My take is that the Standards equal the best Colts once the Colts have had an action job. The Standard's actions are slick and precise right out of the box, with light triggers. I will give the Colt an edge in that the good Colt case hardening (pre-COVID) looks more like a traditional Colt than a Standard does. The Standard's case hardening is more vibrant and more like Turnbull than Colt's.
Both handle the same and I cannot feel any difference in the grip frame or balance.
Accuracy seems to be the same, but the Standard's front sights are a bit wider and easier to see.
Hope this helps someone a little. I guess if you want a "collectible" buy a Colt once you have searched for a good one. If you plan to shoot, buy a Standard. Or a 2004 to 2019 Colt SAA and get an action job.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2024 20:09:27 GMT -5
I've got a 1984 Colt New Frontier 44 Special/44-40 that's incredible.
The only problem with the gun from the factory was an undersized base pin.
I gauged the cylinder and frame holes, then Kelye fixed me up on a Locking #5 that solved the issue.
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Post by 76gt80 on Sept 8, 2024 22:42:20 GMT -5
If you are looking for a Colt to use and shoot (some folks see shooting a Colt SAA blasphemy - ruins "collectibility"), then I would look for one made between 2004 and 2019 or pre-COVID. There were some 3rd Generation SAAs made between say, 1980 and 2003 that are fine guns, but there are a very large number that were absolute dogs (that looked pretty outside). Many of these new-in-box SAAs need an action job to be shootable, and some cannot be fixed without a lot of money being invested. I wouldn't buy a pre-2004 3rd Generation without holding it in my hand and checking it carefully. It seems like Colt got their act together about the time the removable bushing returned in '04. During COVID and after there are some Colt guns with odd case hardening, and other issues I am sure are due to the workforce issues. I am fortunate to have friends with recent Colt SAAs and Standard Manufacturing Single Action Revolvers. I have shot two of each quite a bit and several thousand rounds. My take is that the Standards equal the best Colts once the Colts have had an action job. The Standard's actions are slick and precise right out of the box, with light triggers. I will give the Colt an edge in that the good Colt case hardening (pre-COVID) looks more like a traditional Colt than a Standard does. The Standard's case hardening is more vibrant and more like Turnbull than Colt's. Both handle the same and I cannot feel any difference in the grip frame or balance. Accuracy seems to be the same, but the Standard's front sights are a bit wider and easier to see. Hope this helps someone a little. I guess if you want a "collectible" buy a Colt once you have searched for a good one. If you plan to shoot, buy a Standard. Or a 2004 to 2019 Colt SAA and get an action job. |
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Post by rjm52 on Sept 9, 2024 7:01:52 GMT -5
I have been working with CZ for decades and things have not gone well for the conglomeration. Everyone who worked at CZ during the hey days is gone, displaced with Colt execs. Many of the Colt execs who took the place of CZ execs are already fired, unable to replicate the CZ that went from a nobody Eurotrash company to an economic powerhouse of innovation and eCZellence. What does this mean? Colt took over - everything you know about Colt for the last several years will not change. Everything we knew about CZ-USA will or already has changed. I wish you well with your Colt/CZ Group SAA - I have carried nothing but CZ for literally decades, and today for an SAA I would buy an Uberti. ...that is just Peachy to hear.... We were all expecting the opposite. Bob |
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 9, 2024 18:24:31 GMT -5
So, a fellow forum member bought this gun. While it wasn't for me, I'm glad I posted it...
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Post by armoredman on Sept 9, 2024 23:39:28 GMT -5
...that is just Peachy to hear.... We were all expecting the opposite. Bob I agree, should have been the other way, but it isn't. There is the possibility that sanity will return, but in an insane world, I doubt it. |
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Post by potatojudge on Sept 9, 2024 23:54:28 GMT -5
Curious if sending it back for warranty correction would give satisfactory results.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 10, 2024 8:03:26 GMT -5
Hard to ever tell what the future holds.
When Colt first reintroduced the DA Guns, all the ones I saw were a disaster. Then, after CZ took over, quality improved by leaps and bounds.
My LGS couldn't give away the ones they had. Now, they stock the full line and all are top notch.
I just bought my 6th and 7th Colt DAs. The Blued Python is far beyond what I could hope for.
We can only hope SA Quality will follow suit. But, if they continue to sell without improvement, why would they bother?
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Post by rWt on Sept 10, 2024 10:46:04 GMT -5
I have heard that cylinder dimensions are much better for the Colt SA revolvers that are not 45 Colt. I am looking for one in 38-40 and have heard that their dimensions have always been correct.
I do not know why the dimensions for 45 Colt cylinders have always been off. I am fine with how mine shoots.
Too bad that Standard Manufacturing only makes single action revolvers in 45 Colt.
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Post by kings6 on Sept 10, 2024 11:15:00 GMT -5
Standard builds SA guns in other calibers besides 45. In fact, if I was looking for a new single action today I would go to about the 5th page of the classifieds on 24HC and buy that Shopkeeper model in 38 Special for $2100!
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Post by rWt on Sept 10, 2024 15:56:01 GMT -5
From the Standard manufacturing website-FAQ's stdgun.com/single-action-revolver-faq/16. What caliber is offered? The initial offering is only .45 Colt. You can only order a .45 Colt from the website. I wonder if other calibers are available via special order? |
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Post by marcruger on Sept 18, 2024 12:56:59 GMT -5
The only caliber Standard Manufacturing shows on their website is 45 Colt. The assertion from them is that they are wide open making 45 Colts to fill orders, so no other calibers currently. That said, I sporadically see folks showing other calibers online. Also, alternative calibers pop up here and there on auction sites. Go figure, right? I guess if you call the right person things can get done.
It was my understanding that USFA ran into monetary trouble by having way too many models, variations and calibers. Since the administration of Std Manuf/Conn Shotgun is partly former Colt and USFA personnel, they may be wisely cautious to mainly produce what sells. 45 Colt is a traditional "no brainer" if you are producing SAAs in one caliber. Would be nice to have a .44 Special though. :-)
God Bless, Marc
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