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Post by revolvercranker on Jul 28, 2024 23:08:01 GMT -5
Good thing that Rossi has a recoil pad on it. Even with it, it's no pussycat in the recoil department. If you're a meat eater you will ruin a lot of meat with that 454 casull and don't say you'll head shoot them because you can use a 357, 44mag, 45 Colt to do that. Watch this video on the exact rifle you're talking about. Only thing it's going to do better then a 44mag or 45 Colt is ruin more meat and bust your shoulder. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjBkhCPSs0 |
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Post by ldmay375 on Jul 29, 2024 14:36:46 GMT -5
Good thing that Rossi has a recoil pad on it. Even with it, it's no pussycat in the recoil department. If you're a meat eater you will ruin a lot of meat with that 454 casull and don't say you'll head shoot them because you can use a 357, 44mag, 45 Colt to do that. Watch this video on the exact rifle you're talking about. Only thing it's going to do better then a 44mag or 45 Colt is ruin more meat and bust your shoulder. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjBkhCPSs0 A neat little video, thanks for posting it. I think the recoil is a very subjective point. The newer production one that I have weighs 5 lbs 12 ounces by my scales. It does not have the removal magazine feed tube. I certainly do not find the recoil abusive with the Buffalo Bore loads. His velocities and the recovered 325 grain hard cast were definitely of interest to me. |
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Post by revolvercranker on Jul 29, 2024 15:19:09 GMT -5
Good thing that Rossi has a recoil pad on it. Even with it, it's no pussycat in the recoil department. If you're a meat eater you will ruin a lot of meat with that 454 casull and don't say you'll head shoot them because you can use a 357, 44mag, 45 Colt to do that. Watch this video on the exact rifle you're talking about. Only thing it's going to do better then a 44mag or 45 Colt is ruin more meat and bust your shoulder. www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmjBkhCPSs0 A neat little video, thanks for posting it. I think the recoil is a very subjective point. The newer production one that I have weighs 5 lbs 12 ounces by my scales. It does not have the removal magazine feed tube. I certainly do not find the recoil abusive with the Buffalo Bore loads. His velocities and the recovered 325 grain hard cast were definitely of interest to me. Yeah I was impressed by his work. It does have a lot of recoil and noise blast. We saw what it did to those water jubs so imagine how much meat that would ruin on the animal your shooting. You definitely don't need that for whitetail deer. Shooting 45 Colts in it would be just fine. It was interesting that he said it wouldn't feed the 45 Colt cartridges. In that case load 45 Colt loads in the 454 brass. I have a Winchester 45 Colt Model 94 Trapper with 16 inch barrel. My standard 45 Colt load for my Ruger Blackhawk and my S&W Model 29 is 9 grains of Unique with a 255-260 grain SWC. Nice to shoot out of the handguns. When I shoot them in my Winchester they hurt my shoulder a little. Had a friend shoot it and he couldn't believe the difference between them from a handgun to the rifle. Then good ole Mike Venturino stated his 45 Colt Trapper had some kick to it to. I can imagine that 454 Rossi leveraction. Good thing they put a thick recoil pad on it. They did their homework by adding that pad, by screwing that magazine tube into the action, and that threaded cap on the end of the tube to load or unload it. I had a Rossi Puma in 357 Mag and it kept working the magazine tube loose past the cross screws. I fixed it by silver soldering a curved piece of metal to give the cross screw more of a ledge to buck up against. That did it. |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Jul 29, 2024 15:49:22 GMT -5
Having a Win. Trapper and the Rossi 92, the Trapper loaded with full power 45 Colt loads (as mentioned) hurts you more than a medium power 454 load (same weight bullet at 300 to 400 fps more) does. Practical trials outweigh speculation every time. However, a Browning 1886 Carbine with a 400+ gr. Bullet going 1800 fps outdoes both in the recoil and destructiveness by quite a bit. BTDT comparison quite a bit also.
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Post by ldmay375 on Jul 29, 2024 15:59:36 GMT -5
A neat little video, thanks for posting it. I think the recoil is a very subjective point. The newer production one that I have weighs 5 lbs 12 ounces by my scales. It does not have the removal magazine feed tube. I certainly do not find the recoil abusive with the Buffalo Bore loads. His velocities and the recovered 325 grain hard cast were definitely of interest to me. Yeah I was impressed by his work. It does have a lot of recoil and noise blast. We saw what it did to those water jubs so imagine how much meat that would ruin on the animal your shooting. You definitely don't need that for whitetail deer. Shooting 45 Colts in it would be just fine. It was interesting that he said it wouldn't feed the 45 Colt cartridges. In that case load 45 Colt loads in the 454 brass. I have a Winchester 45 Colt Model 94 Trapper with 16 inch barrel. My standard 45 Colt load for my Ruger Blackhawk and my S&W Model 29 is 9 grains of Unique with a 255-260 grain SWC. Nice to shoot out of the handguns. When I shoot them in my Winchester they hurt my shoulder a little. Had a friend shoot it and he couldn't believe the difference between them from a handgun to the rifle. Then good ole Mike Venturino stated his 45 Colt Trapper had some kick to it to. I can imagine that 454 Rossi leveraction. Good thing they put a thick recoil pad on it. They did their homework by adding that pad, by screwing that magazine tube into the action, and that threaded cap on the end of the tube to load or unload it. I had a Rossi Puma in 357 Mag and it kept working the magazine tube loose past the cross screws. I fixed it by silver soldering a curved piece of metal to give the cross screw more of a ledge to buck up against. That did it. The newest production does not have the tube within the tube magazine. I am guessing that they found that threading the magazine tube into the receiver was a sufficient cure for recoil / tube related issues. I have not removed the forend on mine to see if it is also pinned. Mine is definitely of the newest production runs. Mine has fed fair variety of factory 45 Colt ammo, that I had on hand. But this was 300 grain or heavier hard cast. If I recall correctly, my son had some issues in his 454 with some of the shorter 45 Colt, sub 300 grain ammo. With the 300-360 grain loads, I consider this little carbine as my 45-70 Light. |
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Post by revolvercranker on Jul 29, 2024 16:44:23 GMT -5
Having a Win. Trapper and the Rossi 92, the Trapper loaded with full power 45 Colt loads (as mentioned) hurts you more than a medium power 454 load (same weight bullet at 300 to 400 fps more) does. Practical trials outweigh speculation every time. However, a Browning 1886 Carbine with a 400+ gr. Bullet going 1800 fps outdoes both in the recoil and destructiveness by quite a bit. BTDT comparison quite a bit also. I was surprised to hear you admit that the 45 Trapper hurts you. As for the Browning 1886 Carbine yeah the recoil is bad mainly because of the steel cresent buttplate, but you're wrong with the destructiveness. Using air cooled wheelweights the destructiveness wasn't bad at all. I was able to recover the bullets and they showed picture perfect mushrooming with no shearing and the deer went right down fast. I don't believe I would prefer a hollowpoint my carbine, what I used was just perfect for me. |
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Post by Encore64 on Jul 29, 2024 16:55:52 GMT -5
Brian Pearce gives his thoughts about the Rossi 454 Casull in this month's Rifle Magazine...
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Post by ldmay375 on Jul 30, 2024 12:49:33 GMT -5
Brian Pearce gives his thoughts about the Rossi 454 Casull in this month's Rifle Magazine... I thought Brian's article was a pretty good testament to the durability of these little lever guns. It removed any back of the mind doubts that I had. I am pretty certain that mine will not see a 10,000 round count, at least not by me. I will be plenty satisfied with the accuracy level he got at 75 yards. I have shot mine only a few times. Enough to know the buckhorn rear, is not going to work with my eyes. My son seems to do pretty good with his, judging by informal plinking. The 3ea specimens of this rifle, that I have handled a bit, seem like a pretty good value in a stainless lever gun. It certainly makes for a convenient companion carbine for those that use a 454 revolver. As mentioned prior, the 3 that I have messed with, have cycled the heavier 45 Colt loads without issue. The Buffalo Bore 454, 325 grain hard cast seemed to perform pretty decently in the video of the water jugs. This is the factory load that my son uses when hiking about. I am more aligned with the 360 grain version, or the 300 grain copper flat point. At less than 6 lbs, this is a handy little weather resistant carbine. |
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Post by revolvercranker on Jul 30, 2024 13:40:55 GMT -5
Brian Pearce gives his thoughts about the Rossi 454 Casull in this month's Rifle Magazine... I thought Brian's article was a pretty good testament to the durability of these little lever guns. It removed any back of the mind doubts that I had. I am pretty certain that mine will not see a 10,000 round count, at least not by me. I will be plenty satisfied with the accuracy level he got at 75 yards. I have shot mine only a few times. Enough to know the buckhorn rear, is not going to work with my eyes. My son seems to do pretty good with his, judging by informal plinking. The 3ea specimens of this rifle, that I have handled a bit, seem like a pretty good value in a stainless lever gun. It certainly makes for a convenient companion carbine for those that use a 454 revolver. As mentioned prior, the 3 that I have messed with, have cycled the heavier 45 Colt loads without issue. The Buffalo Bore 454, 325 grain hard cast seemed to perform pretty decently in the video of the water jugs. This is the factory load that my son uses when hiking about. I am more aligned with the 360 grain version, or the 300 grain copper flat point. At less than 6 lbs, this is a handy little weather resistant carbine. The guy in the video that said his carbine wouldn't feed the 45 Colt load he was using might have tried a different bullet. A heavier longer bullet could be loaded out and might cure it. Bob and I talked about using the 45 Ruger only honking bullet, but he said it's too long for the Casull case. I told him to load it in a 45 Colt case. Don't know what he will end up doing. |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Aug 1, 2024 16:46:48 GMT -5
This things quality as a nice light weight carry piece to have with to keep off things that bite, scratch, claw and stomp you. It’s not the ultimate thing for complete safety though. It’s noisy and has some recoil though (the 13 year old neighbor girl could handle it. She has her own 6.5 Creedmor to shoot.) It’s a nice upgrade from the factory 45 Colt loads. One nice thing reared its head with this, I bought Starline 454 Casull brass. While reading about, they commented it was stronger heavier brass (to take care of the 50 K+ loads. Having ran through the 45 Colt pistol and rifle offerings many years ago, one pistol had high 35 to 38K potential and one rifle could get to 45K loads through it. Both were adequate for large game species. One could trim the 454 Casull brass and use it in the Win 94 Trapper’s loose chamber to make it be more compatible with increased performance as it’s a 40K level gun. Just something to think of since they swell cases. The Rossi is quite powerful with some unusual full wadcutter loads. Lots of power and potential there.
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Post by revolvercranker on Aug 1, 2024 16:56:21 GMT -5
This things quality as a nice light weight carry piece to have with to keep off things that bite, scratch, claw and stomp you. It’s not the ultimate thing for complete safety though. It’s noisy and has some recoil though (the 13 year old neighbor girl could handle it. She has her own 6.5 Creedmor to shoot.) It’s a nice upgrade from the factory 45 Colt loads. One nice thing reared its head with this, I bought Starline 454 Casull brass. While reading about, they commented it was stronger heavier brass (to take care of the 50 K+ loads. Having ran through the 45 Colt pistol and rifle offerings many years ago, one pistol had high 35 to 38K potential and one rifle could get to 45K loads through it. Both were adequate for large game species. One could trim the 454 Casull brass and use it in the Win 94 Trapper’s loose chamber to make it be more compatible with increased performance as it’s a 40K level gun. Just something to think of since they swell cases. The Rossi is quite powerful with some unusual full wadcutter loads. Lots of power and potential there. If I were going to hotrod the 45 Colt in a leveraction it would be in my Marlin 1894 Cowboy because the chamber in it is very tight. In fact tight enough that it doesn't show any web expansion with hot loads at all. I still like my Browning 1886 45-70 because I like driving a big block over a small block. To me that rifle isn't all that bad to carry around. Very unlike the octagon barrel full length rifle. That's a very heavy rifle. So have you tried that 45 Ruger only bullet yet? |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Aug 1, 2024 17:38:59 GMT -5
No……. I have many interesting things to try, very few that people here know of.
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Post by revolvercranker on Aug 1, 2024 21:26:20 GMT -5
No……. I have many interesting things to try, very few that people here know of. Don't sell these memebers short, put up the interesting things and let's see how many of them know it. Now if Tesla said that same thing on this forum, then maybe he might have ideas very few people know of. |
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Post by boolitdesigner on Aug 2, 2024 8:19:38 GMT -5
I haven’t shorted them at all. For the last 40 years I have had mold designs on several makers sites. Anybody that wanted one could get it. I don’t tell people what to do, it’s their choice, not someone else’s. You seem to think otherwise. I have people PMing me, messaging me, e-mailing me, calling me and contacting people who know me trying to get my phone number. I come from an era 50 or so years ahead of me, I learned from the so called old timers how to do things (and that was watch and learn how, not read a book and try it). If you don’t know how ASK QUESTIONS, don’t bagger to get a tutorial on what to do.
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Post by boolitdesigner on Aug 2, 2024 8:22:11 GMT -5
My apologies if that seemed abrupt, but I thought it needed said.
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