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Post by groo on Jun 12, 2010 7:48:18 GMT -5
Groo here I have read many post about the FA 454 being loaded as a 4 shot.. Maybe mine are older than dirt but the info stated that you should not fire with an empty chamber as the blast could open/damage the loading gate..[ this was the gun you could not blow up with any magnum powder also-- I couldn't anyway!] And the correct way to set the hammer block [also the cylinder could be set between chambers].. Have I missed something [very possible] or has something been changed?
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Post by aciera on Jun 12, 2010 7:56:01 GMT -5
You have to have support the loading gate. Any hard recoiling revolver is like that. I thought three was enough but Its been a long day already.................... let me think.
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Post by boxhead on Jun 12, 2010 8:35:10 GMT -5
The current owners manuals from FA will specify an empty chamber under the hammer on both the M83 and 97. Makes no sense on the M97 IMO so I carry mine with all chambers loaded.
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Post by aciera on Jun 12, 2010 9:08:42 GMT -5
The 83 & 97 rules could be to keep rules the same for ALL FA revolvers. The 83 had a rather comlpicated hammer group.
My $.02
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Post by razor on Jun 12, 2010 10:47:33 GMT -5
I keep a snap cap in one of my cambers. I thought it might protect the loading gate.
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Post by zeus on Jun 12, 2010 13:16:26 GMT -5
The cylinder is built with recessed case heads so the gate should be supported enough I would think. With the 475 and 500 rugers that are built with standard style cylinders without recessed case heads, the gate is not supported and can break the gate at the bottom in the small portion. The 83 should really only be carried with 4 as per the instruction manuals. It does have a hammer block that is effective if the owner engages it properly. However, in the field, strange things can happen so its best to have an empty chamber under the hammer.....
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Post by Ken O'Neill on Jun 12, 2010 16:09:02 GMT -5
Zeus said it all.
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Post by aciera on Jun 12, 2010 17:06:58 GMT -5
I just reread the OP. Said you should NOT fire with an empty cylinder.
Carry as a 4, load the empty cylinder before you fire?
Was there any fix for the hammer problem?
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Post by agrizz on Jun 12, 2010 18:27:20 GMT -5
I just reread the OP. Said you should NOT fire with an empty cylinder. Carry as a 4, load the empty cylinder before you fire? Was there any fix for the hammer problem? I for one do not see the 4 shots in the cylinder an issue in any way. If you wish 5 shots make certain that you pull the hammer back to the first click notch and the hammer can not reach the firing pin. Like many of the other single action revolvers. In a hunting situation if you need more that 4 shots I would suggest a larger gun or more practice on the range. If this is a dangerous animal you are shooting at you will not have to worry about either senario.
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Post by aciera on Jun 12, 2010 18:34:18 GMT -5
I just reread the OP. Said you should NOT fire with an empty cylinder. Carry as a 4, load the empty cylinder before you fire? Was there any fix for the hammer problem? I for one do not see the 4 shots in the cylinder an issue in any way. If you wish 5 shots make certain that you pull the hammer back to the first click notch and the hammer can not reach the firing pin. Like many of the other single action revolvers. In a hunting situation if you need more that 4 shots I would suggest a larger gun or more practice on the range. If this is a dangerous animal you are shooting at you will not have to worry about either senario. Reread my post..............How do you carry with 4 and not shoot with an empty cylinder.
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Post by agrizz on Jun 12, 2010 19:17:00 GMT -5
I for one do not see the 4 shots in the cylinder an issue in any way. If you wish 5 shots make certain that you pull the hammer back to the first click notch and the hammer can not reach the firing pin. Like many of the other single action revolvers. In a hunting situation if you need more that 4 shots I would suggest a larger gun or more practice on the range. If this is a dangerous animal you are shooting at you will not have to worry about either senario. Reread my post..............How do you carry with 4 and not shoot with an empty cylinder. The Quote that I used and the answer were not to incite a riot here just for information. In the oginal post it stated that [this was the gun he could not blow up with any magnum powder also-- I couldn't anyway!] so I do not see an issue here to start with. You could always place a piece of brass in #5 hole, But let me see, 4 shots in a 5 shot cylinder and you only want to load 4 shots and not have an empty hole. I do not believe that mathmaticaly this will work out very well. You could always have a 4 shot cylinder made up. For the problem you see with the hammer block I do not belive there is a problem with the mechanics only operator errors.
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Post by zeus on Jun 12, 2010 19:35:47 GMT -5
Wow, hopefully, you can count to four and not click the hammer on the empty chamber but if not, shoot the thing one time and then open the gate. The empty chamber should be there and you can shove a new round in it effectively keeping them all full if you see such a need. However, I see no problem with the ol' load one, skip one, load three and then cock and ease down the hammer. Ease the hammer back ever so slightly to the small click and then rotate the cylinder into the locking position. Now I see why they have so many warning with these things..........
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Post by agrizz on Jun 12, 2010 19:38:47 GMT -5
Whatever flips your switch. Stay safe.
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Post by aciera on Jun 12, 2010 19:53:58 GMT -5
No riot wanted. I just couldn't figure the instructions.
Heck I posted when I misread the OP.
And I was wondereing about the FA hammer.
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Post by Frank V on Jun 13, 2010 9:36:47 GMT -5
Am I reading correctly, the FAs need to be loaded in all chambers? Or place an empty in the chamber under the hammer? Is this due to the increased pressure over a traditional SA? We've used the empty chamber under the hammer for years with the older Ruger & all Colt center fire SAs? I've been fortunate to be able to shoot a couple of FAs that friends owned, but am not really familiar with them. Thanks, Frank
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