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Post by webber on Mar 30, 2024 7:54:53 GMT -5
How big are those groups? What size is the body of that steel plate. At one time I though a 12 inch offhand group wasnt good for me. Now it would be great. Not much practice and old age has taken its toll.
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Post by Cholla on Mar 30, 2024 7:55:45 GMT -5
That is some fine shooting Chuck!
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 30, 2024 8:39:20 GMT -5
How big are those groups? What size is the body of that steel plate. At one time I though a 12 inch offhand group wasnt good for me. Now it would be great. Not much practice and old age has taken its toll. Its over 12" for sure. Maybe at some point that will be the case for me. As of now, im just so tickled to be able to squeeze these shots off without any target panic. The guys who can shoot 40x40 standing LR silhouette are probably the best marksmen on earth as far as im concerned!
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 30, 2024 9:10:17 GMT -5
hunter01.... the difference between offhand, or standing, and shooting from a rest: in offhand, the guns never stops moving. SQUEEZE is the same, a pressure smoothly accumulates on the trigger, the finger squeezing on the axis of the trigger finger to the eye. Trigger release occurs in reverse of the same smooth accumulation. To suddenly increase pressure on the trigger as the sight moves to TARGET CENTER is more likely to throw the shot off target than get it on. DRY FIRE, conducted like you mean business, tones muscle & tendon to smoothly squeeze. In dry fire, we begin to see the break, or moment of hammer fall... where the sights are at hammer fall. My way to speed is through marksmanship. Marksmanship doesn'tt follow speed; speed follows marksmanship. Until the body is toned to the discipline, there will be jerky interruptions in the COORDINATIONS of MARKSMANSHIP.
The Coordinations of Marksmanship are held together by an invisible force----the MIND----and a barely visible force----BREATHING. Full breathing controls the coordinations from position & balance to squeeze & follow-through.
Smoothness develops rhythm. Rhythm develops cadence. Cadence is the rhythmic spacing of shots under pressure. Anytime we shoot against a stopwatch or clock, under a threat, or to complete a shot or sequence of shots before the wind changes or the sun leaps out from behind a cloud, we shoot under pressure.
There is nothing wrong with shooting from a rest. But there is something wrong with not shooting standing.
The reason to end practice with a good hit is to coneserve that sight picture in the mind as a reference to the self on how it’s done. This helps tone the mind to marksmanship. The mind is one of those muscles that needs to be toned.
Body alignment to the target, followed by balance, form the base of the marksmanship pyramid. A deer tracker steps in mind of balance to always be ready, and to minimize exposure to a out-of-position shot. The deer tracker, especially a whitetail tracker, expects to be ambushed. Whether his or her sixgun is in-hand or holstered, only the smoothest motion allows the bullet to properly intersect the deer. A jerky draw or swing puts the bullet behind the fist-size lung-heart target.
Whether one hunts or not doesn’t matter. What matters is the commitment to improve and excel. Just as two pigs grow faster than a pig alone, two serious shooters improve faster than a shooter alone. For this reason, competitive marksmanship factors huge in the development of a sharpshooter. Which is not to say a lone wolf cannot become a sharpshooter, just that it’s a steeper climb.
Therefore, keep on pushin. David Bradshaw
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Post by 38 WCF on Mar 30, 2024 9:19:13 GMT -5
Is this a 44 Mag or 45 Colt ? I would like to try that load.
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 30, 2024 9:34:00 GMT -5
Is this a 44 Mag or 45 Colt ? I would like to try that load. 44 mag
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 30, 2024 9:49:52 GMT -5
hunter01.... the difference between offhand, or standing, and shooting from a rest: in offhand, the guns never stops moving. SQUEEZE is the same, a pressure smoothly accumulates on the trigger, the finger squeezing on the axis of the trigger finger to the eye. Trigger release occurs in reverse of the same smooth accumulation. To suddenly increase pressure on the trigger as the sight moves to TARGET CENTER is more likely to throw the shot off target than get it on. DRY FIRE, conducted like you mean business, tones muscle & tendon to smoothly squeeze. In dry fire, we begin to see the break, or moment of hammer fall... where the sights are at hammer fall. My way to speed is through marksmanship. Marksmanship doesn'tt follow speed; speed follows marksmanship. Until the body is toned to the discipline, there will be jerky interruptions in the COORDINATIONS of MARKSMANSHIP. The Coordinations of Marksmanship are held together by an invisible force----the MIND----and a barely visible force----BREATHING. Full breathing controls the coordinations from position & balance to squeeze & follow-through. Smoothness develops rhythm. Rhythm develops cadence. Cadence is the rhythmic spacing of shots under pressure. Anytime we shoot against a stopwatch or clock, under a threat, or to complete a shot or sequence of shots before the wind changes or the sun leaps out from behind a cloud, we shoot under pressure. There is nothing wrong with shooting from a rest. But there is something wrong with not shooting standing. The reason to end practice with a good hit is to coneserve that sight picture in the mind as a reference to the self on how it’s done. This helps tone the mind to marksmanship. The mind is one of those muscles that needs to be toned. Body alignment to the target, followed by balance, form the base of the marksmanship pyramid. A deer tracker steps in mind of balance to always be ready, and to minimize exposure to a out-of-position shot. The deer tracker, especially a whitetail tracker, expects to be ambushed. Whether his or her sixgun is in-hand or holstered, only the smoothest motion allows the bullet to properly intersect the deer. A jerky draw or swing puts the bullet behind the fist-size lung-heart target. Whether one hunts or not doesn’t matter. What matters is the commitment to improve and excel. Just as two pigs grow faster than a pig alone, two serious shooters improve faster than a shooter alone. For this reason, competitive marksmanship factors huge in the development of a sharpshooter. Which is not to say a lone wolf cannot become a sharpshooter, just that it’s a steeper climb. Therefore, keep on pushin. David Bradshaw They used to have falling plate matches and smallbore silhouette matches in the area. I could win the matches more often than not but i would say the shot was a timed jerk or "punch" of the trigger as compound archers talk of. As you are coming into the sight picture you want, the trigger is "punched". That is the shot owning you, not you owning the shot. I would love to try the game again now that i feel like im in control of the shot. I think the trigger on this gun is actually helping me develop faster as well. It isnt gritty but is has a LOT of pretravel before the sear releases. I can feel the surfaces sliding against each other and many times ill have to stop, while maintaining the pressure that ive built up, reset my brain, and then continue with the squeeze until release. Maybe good for training, but id want something much more crisp for competition.
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Post by boolitdesigner on Mar 30, 2024 10:26:19 GMT -5
A lot of discussion on this, BUT not everything is as it seems. The mind is more concern than you think.
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 30, 2024 11:26:12 GMT -5
A lot of discussion on this, BUT not everything is as it seems. The mind is more concern than you think. So profound! I wish i knew what it meant.
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Post by webber on Mar 30, 2024 12:17:45 GMT -5
A lot of discussion on this, BUT not everything is as it seems. The mind is more concern than you think. So profound! I wish i knew what it meant. Simple. The brain controls everything including shooting. No brain, no mind, no living being hence no shooting.
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 30, 2024 13:26:40 GMT -5
So profound! I wish i knew what it meant. Simple. The brain controls everything including shooting. No brain, no mind, no living being hence no shooting. Oh boy, ive been enlightened. You need a brain to shoot a gun. Got it! Guess we dont have to worry about the single cell organisms rising up and taking over. Now the primates have a brain AND opposable thumbs. they may soon learn marksmanship and come calling. Ill just keep reminding myself to breath so i dont die. Now im "country" but im not stupid, actually far from it. I see little use in talking in riddles to appear more intelligent or enlightened. Its not impressive.
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Post by webber on Mar 30, 2024 15:11:14 GMT -5
Simple. The brain controls everything including shooting. No brain, no mind, no living being hence no shooting. Oh boy, ive been enlightened. You need a brain to shoot a gun. Got it! Guess we dont have to worry about the single cell organisms rising up and taking over. Now the primates have a brain AND opposable thumbs. they may soon learn marksmanship and come calling. Ill just keep reminding myself to breath so i dont die. Now im "country" but im not stupid, actually far from it. I see little use in talking in riddles to appear more intelligent or enlightened. Its not impressive. I want humbly apologize to you. I am the stupid one. I realize that now. I have not learned to understand the non facial expression etc. of the printed word. Please forgive me as it wasn't my intention to make anyone upset. Sorry
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Post by bradshaw on Mar 30, 2024 15:34:58 GMT -5
hunter01.... no condescension here. Some things need to be articulated to prioritize FOCUS.
The eye looks; the mind sees. The sequence of eye movement starts on the target, focus reins back to the sights to create a sight picture. I say “create a sight picture” because the shooter is the only one who sees this. The sighting eye chisels to the front sight (first focal plane). The hunter or silhouette shooter fine tunes focus to include the somewhat fuzzy rear sight (second focal plane). Thus the target (third focal plane) looks fuzzier than the rear sight. The sight picture----and front sight focus----lasts only as long as the eye has oxygen. The cliche----a sharp sight picture lasts 10 seconds----is for young people. All the Old Timers I knew are dead. That makes me a new Old Timer.
The eyes are the first organ to go into oxygen debt. Lee Martin is much younger than me. I’ve suggested Lee hold not more than 7 seconds. As the eyes enter oxygen debt, the sights grow fuzzy. Fresh oxygen alone clears the eyes. SQUEEZE happens inside the respiratory pause. It does no good to stretch the respiratory pause, since the eyes burn oxygen like it’s gasoline. Fresh oxygen clears the eyes.
It is almost impossible to simultaneously SPOT and COACH. A spotter can’t watch for a bullet sailing downrange and coach at the same time. A seasoned spotter is gold to a seasoned shooter.
I have said the only shortcut to marksmanship is DRY FIRE. Dry fire should induce the shooter to CALL HIS or HER SHOT! Absent nose & recoil of live fire, practice in dry fire is the easiest way to learn to call your shot. David Bradshaw.
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Post by boolitdesigner on Mar 30, 2024 16:17:15 GMT -5
A lot of discussion on this, BUT not everything is as it seems. The mind is more concern than you think. So profound! I wish i knew what it meant. Basically, you do your aiming with no conscious thought, when everything is right in your mind the gun fires and you hit the intended spot. This works quite well at some very absurd distances. A clear mind does this for you when you’ve learned to use it properly.
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 30, 2024 17:56:35 GMT -5
So profound! I wish i knew what it meant. Basically, you do your aiming with no conscious thought, when everything is right in your mind the gun fires and you hit the intended spot. This works quite well at some very absurd distances. A clear mind does this for you when you’ve learned to use it properly. As Mr Bradshaw eluded, it all comes down to FOCUS. I guess the same could be said of anything you want to be good at in this life.
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