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Post by reflex264 on Mar 15, 2024 9:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 15, 2024 10:33:26 GMT -5
I like it! Were the chambers cut longer than thandard 45acp? Beautiful gun and extraordinary shooting.
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Post by Encore64 on Mar 15, 2024 10:57:07 GMT -5
Reflex264's Blackhawk 460 Rowland is the most expensive gun I never bought.
I was on the edge about this when he posted his chronograph results.
It pushed me over the edge to build a Clements 45 ACP/45 AR 5-Shot Revolver.
Then, add a 45 ACP Cylinder to my FA83 454 Casull so I could shoot hot loads.
Ballistics are impressive from his revolver...
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Post by reflex264 on Mar 15, 2024 10:59:39 GMT -5
I like it! Were the chambers cut longer than thandard 45acp? Beautiful gun and extraordinary shooting. Thanks.This is one of those guns that makes eveyone that shoots it look good. If the rain holds off tomorrow I am going to shoot it at 40 yards. If I can see, I am looking for some nice groups. I am having to change glasses again. Yes the chambers were cut deeper. Clark's did the cylinder. They did a fantastic job. All chamber mouths are perfect. Truthfully I was surprised initially that the Ruger barrel shot that good. If it had not shot good I was going to change barrels. It all worked out. I am debating sticking some really nice grips on it now.
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Post by reflex264 on Mar 15, 2024 11:00:22 GMT -5
Reflex264's Blackhawk 460 Rowland is the most expensive gun I never bought. I was on the edge about this when he posted his chronograph results. It pushed me over the edge to build a Clements 45 ACP/45 AR 5-Shot Revolver. Then, add a 45 ACP Cylinder to my FA83 454 Casull so I could shoot hot loads. Ballistics are impressive from his revolver... Enabling makes the world go round.
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Post by reflex264 on Mar 15, 2024 11:36:27 GMT -5
One more thing about this gun. I wont stick the 40,000PSI stuff in this gun. No reason to. It is still a Ruger cylinder. It gets very good velocity inpart due to the cylinder acting like another inch of barrel. Most of my loads in the automatics and this gun are loaded half way between the 45 Super and 460 Rowland. It lives happily in that space and does whatever I would ask of it. If I need more power I grab a bigger gun.
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Post by seminolewind on Mar 15, 2024 12:01:17 GMT -5
I like it! Were the chambers cut longer than thandard 45acp? Beautiful gun and extraordinary shooting. I am debating sticking some really nice grips on it now. That gun is beautiful as it is, in my opinion. The character of the grips match the character of the gun. Unique but understated. Sophisticated but functional. That gun/grip combo means serious business in my eyes. But who would knock more fancy wood if you so choose?
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 15, 2024 12:48:22 GMT -5
Are you loading the Rowland to acp/super oal length or are you seating the bullet longer?
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Post by drycreek on Mar 15, 2024 13:46:54 GMT -5
I’m curious as to what that 240 grain bullet gets in the way of velocity if you have cronographed them. Nice looking gun, got one that’s near its twin.
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Post by reflex264 on Mar 15, 2024 17:01:51 GMT -5
Are you loading the Rowland to acp/super oal length or are you seating the bullet longer? Same overall length. I eperimented seating the bullet out just because I could and It didn't change anything. I have found some loads that I can run in both this gun and the auto and they shoot great from both.
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Post by reflex264 on Mar 15, 2024 17:26:23 GMT -5
View AttachmentI’m curious as to what that 240 grain bullet gets in the way of velocity if you have cronographed them. Nice looking gun, got one that’s near its twin. That is a nice looking piece. I have ran the 240 XTP Mag to the end of the 35,000 psi data with Power Pistol and got 1377 fps with single digit ES numbers. That same load from the Glock auto gets right at 1200 fps. The bullet is not tight to the throat in the cylinder and isn't showing any kind of pressure signs. When Ken Kempa ran that load through his 1911 he got 1170 fps. I backed it down till it got 1326 fps from the Ruger. The ES numbers are in the 30s but consistenly in the 30s with no wild spikes. The Sierra bullet is slighly smaller than the Hornady (.4515" vs .452") and has a thinner jacket. Both of those factors created lower pressures in every load we ever ran through the lab. I used the same data for them as the XTP mag 35,000 psi loads with Power Pistol and velocity is nearly 1400 from the Ruger with Power Pistol.I am working with CFE and it looks like it is going to max out in the 1250s but still have work to do. 460 Rowland Claims 1352 fps with the 240 XTP mag from the auto pistols. They resize that bullet down to .451". Just my thinking but they claim they got that from 40,000 psi in the auto and Ken's data maxed out at 1170 in his gun at 35,000 psi while that same load hits 1377 fps in the Ruger. That is enough to tell me there is no way I would stick their factory load in my guns. To make a long story short I think a combination of the added barrel length effect from the cylinder coupled with the .452" bore is giving me the gains. Since that bullet will do everything I want it to at around 1300 fps my goal is to get this kind of accuracy with 1300 or slighly over and call it good. Over the next few weeks I am going to load it with the 45 Super data and see where that lands since it is getting more velocity than the autos.
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Post by reflex264 on Mar 15, 2024 17:32:45 GMT -5
I am debating sticking some really nice grips on it now. That gun is beautiful as it is, in my opinion. The character of the grips match the character of the gun. Unique but understated. Sophisticated but functional. That gun/grip combo means serious business in my eyes. But who would knock more fancy wood if you so choose? I have thought the same thing then I see some of Zane's sheep horn grips and spend three days talking myself out of it. LOL These grips weren't totaly dry when I started finishing them. As a result the finish fogged. I stripped them and tried to dry them a bit more then refinished them again. Still had a few wet spots. I worked them down with rotton stone then a thin coat of linseed oil over the rubbed out finish and rubbed that out. It did something I didn't expect that I actualy like. They have a feel that is not sticky but is slightly tacky. It gives you great control in your hand. That makes me want to leave them as is.
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Post by drycreek on Mar 15, 2024 18:41:02 GMT -5
Yeah, but ain’t them sheep horn grips purty ! Thanks for the ballistics info, and I’m with you. Unless you’re hunting something I’m not, that load will get it done.
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Post by drdougrx on Mar 16, 2024 6:56:50 GMT -5
I like the comment about shooting loads midway between 45super and 460 Rowland. I shoot it in a 1911. I was shooting 230gr xtp over 11.5gr of Longshot. Got just under 1300fps. Punished the gun I think a bit more than I’d like so I went to 10gr and Chrono it at 1196 on av. Shot an exotic merino sheep with and got great expansion but not stellar penetration. I don’t think the bullet is rated for much over 1200 since it’s designed to expand at 45acp velocity.
Currently trying 250gr xtp with same 10gr longshot. Haven’t Chrono it yet but I suspect I’m getting 1100 ish and better penetration. The 240gr xtp is rated for 454 Casull velocity and probably won’t expand. Anyway, I really like the 460!
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Post by messybear on Mar 16, 2024 7:25:22 GMT -5
Following- interesting thread. Thanks for posting
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