oldcat
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Post by oldcat on Feb 21, 2024 22:08:12 GMT -5
Seen too many animals leave teeth or jaw bones behind because people thought they were good enough to perform head shots on purpose. I do not recommend or advocate them, in a self defense situation “go for it” because that’s what it takes to STOP an animal, a CNS hit. Otherwise, vital internal organs not cranium. Trapr THIS!
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44mag
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Post by 44mag on Feb 21, 2024 22:48:13 GMT -5
There’s a particular bear that a guy l hunt with said it’s the size of a midsize car. It doesn’t come out much but when you do see it it’s off in the distance. My stand is a ladder/seater about 12 feet or a bit more. But after this feedback about skull thickness l can probably use a jacketed partition.
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Post by northerngos on Feb 21, 2024 23:18:34 GMT -5
Garrett makes awesome stuff. It has shot very well for me out of several 29’s, a couple of om flattop Blackhawks, and a redhawk. And I doubt there is a black bear that would stop one. The guys here with a ton of experience are trying to politely say that it’s a bad idea to try for a headshot for a variety of reasons. If you try a headshot and shoot one through the sinus or rake an eye socket or basically hit one anywhere except through the brain you will never ever catch up to it and it will likely die a slow terrible death. Punch one through the lungs or diaphragm and it will die, and even if you have to bring dogs in you can find the body. It’s not people doubting your shooting ability or anything, it’s more that it is disrespectful to the quarry and that there is no payoff. A lot of experienced folks consider the benchmark of max range to be your ability to group shots minus field shooting instability minus the tax that nerves take, and then adjusted so the animal is close enough that if it starts to move between the time you decide to pull the trigger and the time the shot actually breaks, it can’t move the vital zone out of your accuracy cone. Bear can be really twitchy and erratic, and a skull has to move a twitch to turn a best case kill shot into a horrible mistake. Best case you ruin a skull and any chance of getting it measured properly. If it is anywhere near as big as they think the skull is the deciding factor if you want it measured and evaluated for book entry. Have fun with the hunt! Sounds like a bruiser any way you cut it.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 22, 2024 0:30:41 GMT -5
Climbing up the ladder with mainly only it’s head for a shot, what would you do ??
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Post by northerngos on Feb 22, 2024 1:18:18 GMT -5
I’d use garrett Hammerheads and shoot straight down the middle. Then I’d get a metal detector and dig the bullet out of the ground for a souvenir! I’d be surprised if it stopped before the tail except maybe if you ran it down the spine but that would settle it down pretty effectively. I misunderstood that you were hunting from a stand and aiming for a head shot. I’ve never had a black bear climb after me but I’ve seen videos and they can straight run up a tree if they are motivated. So I wouldn’t want to count on getting a good head shot in just in case it was coming fast. So I’d want a bullet that will likely go straight through the bear no matter where you hit it. I wanted to check my zero one day when I took a road trip to hunt and shot a not insignificant live ponderosa pine. The Garrett went right through. I’ve never had a soft nose come anywhere close. Garretts aren’t cheap but a whole lot of experience in the field went into developing them. If you are using a lightweight gun even the lower power stuff will really penetrate.
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Post by 45MAN on Feb 22, 2024 7:05:10 GMT -5
Seen too many animals leave teeth or jaw bones behind because people thought they were good enough to perform head shots on purpose. I do not recommend or advocate them, in a self defense situation “go for it” because that’s what it takes to STOP an animal, a CNS hit. Otherwise, vital internal organs not cranium. FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ON DEER, WITH REVOLVERS YOU BETTER BRAIN THE DEER OR ELSE YOU MAY SENTENCE IT TO SLOW STARVATION, HV RIFLES MAY WORK BETTER ON HEAD SHOTS, DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE. - 45MAN
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Post by 45MAN on Feb 22, 2024 7:12:43 GMT -5
BTW, IN ALASKA I HAD A BLACK BEAR CLIMB UP TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT WAS UP IN THE TREE STAND (ME!) I COULD'a PETTED HIM ON THE HEAD OR "BLOWN HIS HEAD OFF" WITH MY 6" 45 COLT 454 EQUIVALENT LOAD, BUT, RATHER THAN TAKE ONE MORE STEP UP HE WENT BACK DOWN. ALSO IN ALASKA WE HAD A BROWN BEAR COME UP BELOW US TO THE BASE OF THE TREE STAND BUT WE CHASED HIM OFF WITH NOISE. ALSO IN ALASKA I HAD A BLACK BEAR STALK UP TO WITHIN 15 YARDS OR SO OF ME UNTIL THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF MY NECK WARNED ME TO LOOK AROUND, I SCARED HIM OFF WITH SOME NOISE.
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Post by bearskinner on Feb 22, 2024 10:47:18 GMT -5
By all means if you can’t make the shot, don’t take the shot. Head shots work, heart shots work. Just have respect for the critter you are hunting, and don’t take bad shots.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 22, 2024 13:11:47 GMT -5
By all means if you can’t make the shot, don’t take the shot. Head shots work, heart shots work. Just have respect for the critter you are hunting, and don’t take bad shots. Oh ! by all means that would be the shot I will take in a dangerous situation ! And wouldn't care about the respect of no critter !
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Post by lockhart on Feb 22, 2024 14:24:46 GMT -5
I can believe THAT!
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Post by flattopdan on Feb 22, 2024 19:01:11 GMT -5
I can’t imagine that a good old Keith bullet at 1000+ fps wouldn’t get the job done.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 22, 2024 19:53:59 GMT -5
I can’t imagine that a good old Keith bullet at 1000+ fps wouldn’t get the job done. think it's more than a Kieth bullet... He didn't design a stronger bullet, he designed a bullet to be loaded at higher velocities and thus having more energy but that doesn't change the structure integrity of the bullet.
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Post by ideal on Feb 22, 2024 21:58:41 GMT -5
I can’t imagine that a good old Keith bullet at 1000+ fps wouldn’t get the job done. think it's more than a Kieth bullet... He didn't design a stronger bullet, he designed a bullet to be loaded at higher velocities and thus having more energy but that doesn't change the structure integrity of the bullet. Perhaps you'll share with us your idea of an ideal medium to large game hunting revolver bullet, and a little of your background hunting with them.
Thanks!
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 22, 2024 22:57:41 GMT -5
Actually Mr. Keith did use a much stronger bullet by using 16:1 alloy. With no antimony or arsenic, his alloy was very pliable.
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Post by sixshot on Feb 23, 2024 1:57:42 GMT -5
This!
Dick
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