6.5mm Creedmore vs 6.5mm PRC

[potatojudge]

If a person was ever going to get into the 6mm ARC, and it is arguably the best long(ish) range round for an AR platform, now is the time based on ammo availability and price.

The ARC is like the SPC and Grendel: an attempt to optimize the AR platform given magazine limitations. I think it's the way to go stretching the range of an AR and on deer to reasonable distances. Once you bring up bolt guns, they're all outmatched.

I'm sure a 6.5 ARC exists in wildcat form, but it's 6.5 Grendel that gets resized to make 6mm ARC- with a slight trim IIRC. There is a 22 ARC and a 6mm ARC, no standard 6.5 ARC.

The Contender community benefits from the AR round race because typically if an AR can do it so can a Contender. A 6.8 or 6ARC Contender is the easy button when maximizing what a Contender can do.

The PRC is a good round too, mimicking 6.5-284 but modernized a bit. The down side is barrel life, the upside is performance. It seems the PRC is around to stay but we've thought that before with other rounds. Unless you need the extra performance or reload, you're better off with ammo pricing that will allow you to shoot more.

Of those, the easy button is the CM and there's nothing wrong with the round. It will definitely be around for the long haul and is economical.

The 6mm CM has become pretty mainstream also and is a great round.

[bula]

I've no interest in AR platforms. I will mention this, your info to him, it may interest him being ex-mil 10th mtn.. He initially asked me about a Barrett 50...talked him off that ledge. It just doesn't fit his life, AT ALL. I do not see him investing in handloading, nor coming to my house often enough to use my set up, which he would be welcome to. My newer Lee press is 50 BMG capable. 

[singleaction]

Feb 18, 2024 15:27:07 GMT -5 potatojudge said:

If a person was ever going to get into the 6mm ARC, and it is arguably the best long(ish) range round for an AR platform, now is the time based on ammo availability and price.

The ARC is like the SPC and Grendel: an attempt to optimize the AR platform given magazine limitations. I think it's the way to go stretching the range of an AR and on deer to reasonable distances. Once you bring up bolt guns, they're all outmatched.

I'm sure a 6.5 ARC exists in wildcat form, but it's 6.5 Grendel that gets resized to make 6mm ARC- with a slight trim IIRC. There is a 22 ARC and a 6mm ARC, no standard 6.5 ARC.

The Contender community benefits from the AR round race because typically if an AR can do it so can a Contender. A 6.8 or 6ARC Contender is the easy button when maximizing what a Contender can do.

The PRC is a good round too, mimicking 6.5-284 but modernized a bit. The down side is barrel life, the upside is performance. It seems the PRC is around to stay but we've thought that before with other rounds. Unless you need the extra performance or reload, you're better off with ammo pricing that will allow you to shoot more.

Of those, the easy button is the CM and there's nothing wrong with the round. It will definitely be around for the long haul and is economical.

The 6mm CM has become pretty mainstream also and is a great round.

I second all of this. The 6.5 PRC is a 1000 round per barrel cartridge in competition. For those who don’t mind that, it’s outstanding! 

[bula]

Good/bad points on the Ruger Precision platform ? MSRP's on Ruger website of 2g to 2.5g per chambering and goodies. Is it a solid step beyond the hunting rifles meant for long range hunting ? 

[bula]

Further reading, double checking of the 3 letter designations, that are unfamiliar too me, yup no 6.5ARC. I'm on same page now. Thanks for patience.  The Ruger Precision.. A few years back a nephew brought one in 308 to camp. I did not shoot it. Not enough ammo brought to share trigger time. For me, a hunting gun, a to be carried on/by self, to where a good shot can be made. Being a woodlands hunter all these years, well I have to allow that many are doing their shooting within a 100yds of a parked ATV, from a getting ever plusher, stand.  In this case, guess you could say the Ruger Precision is a hunting rifle. What could my friend expect from a Ruger Precision in 6.5 CM, factory ammo ? A point in the right direction for a good match in scopes ? 

[bula]

So a Ruger Precision rifle vs a Bergara ? I don't have a price on the Bergara, nor availability. A fair match up ?

[bula]

I find myself getting sucked into wanting something with longer legs than my Axis2 350 Legend carbine ! Aaack ! knew this would happen. Am eyeing a Savage 110 based VSX-Hunter-XP combo, a Cabelas pkg.. Zeus ? 6.5CM for me.

[revolvercranker]

The 6mm ARC is nothing but a 6.5 Grendel necked down to 6mm. There is no way it is going to compare to the 6.5 CM as far as delivered energy. Where the 6m ARC may shine is varmint hunting, it certainly has less recoil and much easier on the barrel. I'm not saying the 6.5 CM eats barrels up. I have an AR10 6.5 CM and love it. It's an extremely accurate round in an AR10 as it has a heavy match grade barrel. I've mentioned before I have many 6.5 rifles raning from the 6.5 Carcano, 6.5 Japanese, 6.5 CM, 260 Rem, and 6.5 Swede.

If you can't find brass for the 6mm ARC try looking for 6.5 Grendel, and last resort would be necking down 7.62x39 and then fire forming it. 

[bula]

Not sure where cartridge-wise my friend will fall. As I'm getting sucked into this, only the 6.5 CM on my radar. Over the last week or so, have poked my head into 3-4 LGS's and googled up several ammo sources. It is just no contest, , 6.5 CM is at least twice as available. More varieties, less expensive than any of it's competitors. At my camp, over the last 25 yrs, the timber has grown up, longer shots possible in the woods. We timbered 2 patches and longer shots there, and our meadow off the back of the cabin yard has been cut back, encroachment taken back and the meadow is like 250yds and a 200 yd berm put in. My friends cabin where I was last weekend is getting it's range extended and is even more open woods and all hillsides. My Savage Axis 2 350 Legend, is still nice for in the woods, sneak and peak hunting, or a stand in second growth. Problem is I'm seeing more and more longer shots coming to be, where I hunt. Rifle that has my eye now, a Savage 110  6.5 CM a long range hunting version, combo w/scope. It the same as what friend bought his 12 yr old son. They can hunt on their property or game lands nearby, deer, elk and black bear. 

[bula]

Done deal, a trip to Avon Ohio on Saturday now. The Cabelas exclusive, Savage 110 VSX-Hunter-XP combo 6.5CM. Sigh, does this ever end ? Don't answer that. LOL.

[squawberryman]

Over on the Long Range forum quite a few people speak well of those Savages, in that caliber. Then the man bun comments start coming. It's quite comical at times.

[bula]

My wife, has background in beauty/hair and when she sees man buns she wants to reach for her Cold Steel or Opinel...

[revolvercranker]

Mar 20, 2024 11:53:34 GMT -5 squawberryman said:

Over on the Long Range forum quite a few people speak well of those Savages, in that caliber. Then the man bun comments start coming. It's quite comical at times.

Yes Savages can be very accurate rifles, but I'm going to tell you that squarberryman that so can AR's both flavers 15 and 10. In fact many of them beat most bolt actions. I don't own one 15 or 10 that shoots over an inch except my original Colt HBAR which has a lot of rounds through it, but with certain bullets and loads it's under an inch too. I believe the secret to the the AR's and the Savage is the barrel nut system of attaching the barrel and in the AR the barrel is also free floated. Notice on many "accuracy rifles" that they are pretty much based on an AR except with a bolt action. 

[bula]

Have no interest in AR's, not legal to hunt with in Penn.. I enjoy the info and opinions regardless. Thanks guys !

[revolvercranker]

Mar 21, 2024 7:41:56 GMT -5 bula said:

Have no interest in AR's, not legal to hunt with in Penn.. I enjoy the info and opinions regardless. Thanks guys !


Yup, been that way through the history of firearms when a new model came out that was different.  The old timers refused to let go of their older firearms.  The AR was very different then it's predeccesors with no nice walnut wood and blued steel.  

PA has been no semi autos about the beginning of their hunting laws. Heard of a man once that deactivated the semi auto feature of this M1 Garand. He even took it to the PA Game Commission and showed it to him. They said NO even if it was now a manually operated single shot.  I could never figure their thinking out as you could carry and use, for an example, Win Model 94 30-30 which held 7 rounds and could spray lead just as fast as the semi auto rifle could. I've watched some shoot those lever actions really fast.