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Post by handloadingnotes on May 30, 2023 20:01:20 GMT -5
If the revolver has enough end shake or "wobble", then under recoil the cylinder may come back or twist enough that the cases may actually bridge between the cylinder and frame. Like legs in a stool. It's better if the stool isn't missing any legs. Having a full cylinder means it's as well supported as it can be, with minimal twisting allowed. Even if the cylinder has recessed case heads it's just better if there's equal brass to rest on. At least this is how I understand it. I honestly don't know how much it matters. But it seems like it can only help, and is a good habit for other reasons.
When I check flinch I fill the empty chambers with spent cases. This also makes it harder to cheat by seeing the if shiny brass rim or empty chamber is rotating in line. That is a real problem on some guns, like the brutal little LCR with it's minimally-thin black cylinder. Really easy to accidentally see if a shiny nickel plated +P is on-deck or not even if you're trying not to look.
It's also good habit in case you pickup a rimfire. I've had to swage out a burr from the firing pin on a 22 that the manual said was OK to dry fire. After that experience I try to always cushion the firing pin on a 22.
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Post by parallaxbill on May 30, 2023 20:22:25 GMT -5
Sorry, no offense, but I'm not buying that reasoning. There is too much end play in each individual cylinder, loaded rounds or not, that there will be no "twist" in the cylinder to affect anything. The recoil plate under the fired round is the only factor during firing. All the rest are just riding along, loaded or not. Just my opinion with physics in mind.
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Post by handloadingnotes on May 30, 2023 20:41:43 GMT -5
No offense taken. I still fill the other chambers for the other reasons, and because it gives me warm fuzzies. But what you’re saying makes sense. The recoil shield is usually proud of every other surface. I may have just been parroting lore without thinking critically enough. I’d be curious to learn more about what models (if any) it *really* matters with.
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Post by kgb on May 30, 2023 21:01:09 GMT -5
Introduced my nephew to a double action revolver a couple weeks ago. He'd never fired one, I don't believe even handled a double action revolver before that. Before I handed it to him I said, you may have seen people do this, especially on TV or the movies, but don't ever do this, this, or this, while gently mimicking banging the cylinder open, snapping the cylinder closer and spinning the cylinder and closing it while it was spinning, then explaining why each one was bad for the gun. He admitted that he'd never even thought about what that was doing to it, mechanically. I also try to express to people that it's not "best practice" to shoot them with cases in only one or a couple chambers. Good job of training a new shooter, never a bad idea and in the vein of this thread such opportunities to provide training could go a long way. The subject has brought out a lot of condescension, virtue signaling and chest thumping, not an unusual occurrence when it comes to gun guys, hopefully more than a few can see chances to educate people when they arise. |
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Post by aciera on Jun 2, 2023 14:31:35 GMT -5
No offense taken. I still fill the other chambers for the other reasons, and because it gives me warm fuzzies. But what you’re saying makes sense. The recoil shield is usually proud of every other surface. I may have just been parroting lore without thinking critically enough. I’d be curious to learn more about what models (if any) it *really* matters with. This is the double action forum but With the big guns in single action you always have at least 3 rounds in a 5 shot. Maybe coming from that? |
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Post by cas on Jun 2, 2023 16:34:16 GMT -5
Why I said best practice instead of NEVER DO THIS.
In double actions it's mostly theory some subscribe to, some don't. But loading them all the way, or leaving empties in removes any possible , even theoretical problem, so why not do it.
In single actions (depending on gun and caliber) you can definitely bend / break things. (loading gates)
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Post by parallaxbill on Jun 2, 2023 18:55:46 GMT -5
What?
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Post by aciera on Jun 2, 2023 19:56:10 GMT -5
[quote author= I also try to express to people that it's not "best practice" to shoot them with cases in only one or a couple chambers. Never heard this before, why is this so ? Yeah, I usually practice my revolver shooting with random empty chambers to check my flinch development and to correct it. Am I missing something?[/quote] Nope. You be right |
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Post by dmize on Jun 2, 2023 20:33:42 GMT -5
On single actions with non-recessed cylinders i.e. Rugers and Colts the cases support the loading gates during recoil. Flip open the gate and you can usually see the outline of one or two case heads and primers before you see anything on the recoil shield.
On heavy kickers it is apparently possible to damage loading gates. When working with my kids with just 357 and 44 I used empty cases but never empty chambers.
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Post by aciera on Jun 3, 2023 11:09:26 GMT -5
For a revolver to open up……..I’d look at a Python instead of a 19
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