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Post by kevshell on Dec 30, 2022 8:06:30 GMT -5
I did a short search and saw a little about the round but nothing on a platform.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Dec 30, 2022 15:29:37 GMT -5
I don’t see it being anything that the 375win. wasn’t, except easier to find bullets.
Trapr
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 30, 2022 15:45:58 GMT -5
This cartridge is clearly a reply to hunting restrictions. Case length, minimum bullet diameter and no neck.
As Lee said, it's effectively the 357 Herrett with a taper instead of a neck (straight walled).
To me, the cartridge is reminiscent of the Old Maynard and Stevens Cartridges of the late 1800s.
I'll follow this one closely. It would be legal for our Primitive Weapons Season and would just be plain fun with cast bullets.
Like a Rook Rifle, but for bigger critters...
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Post by weiler on Dec 30, 2022 21:49:26 GMT -5
I told a friend if they made the 350 legend a .358 and put a rim on it they would really have something! This looks cool but I still have my heart set on a max
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Post by Lee Martin on Dec 30, 2022 22:32:54 GMT -5
I hope Bradshaw chimes in, because in the .357 Maximum development days, he wanted the case length to be longer. I'm sure the Buckhammer will perform well, but not enough for me to shelve dad's .357 Herret TC barrel or our .35 Rem Marlin. Then again, Virginia has no restriction on case dimensions. -Lee www.singleactions.com "Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 31, 2022 3:31:47 GMT -5
It would help to have drawings for the .360 Buckhammer cartridge and chamber. Only info I see is a rimmed case 1,800” long, allegedly .30-30 head, with straight wall and .358 bullet.
All cases are drawn a longer than finished trim, but with a .30-30 rim, the 1.605” .357 Maximum could not be trimmed from .360 Buckhammer brass. Not only has the the Maximum a straight wall, the case is without taper, which is why it works with .38 Special and .357 Maximum. Extraction and set-back are not issues with the .357 Maximum. If the .360 Buckhammer tapers, set-back could be a problem.
Photo viewed by this shooter suggests rim is smaller than .30-30.
Bill Ruger, Jr., was ready to experiment with a .357 Maximum case of 1.660”----.055” longer than what we settled on. And I say “we,” because I discouraged stretching the SRM frame. As has been noted, both Bill Ruger and Bill, Jr., were confident stretching the SRM frame wouldn’t present a strength issue. My worry centered on thinning of the bottom strap. At such time the .357 Maximum comes back to life, straightening of the bottom strap in front of the trigger guard, as Magnum Research did on the BFR, would allow for a longer cylinder and longer bullets.
If the .360 Buckhammer has a tapered case, it should work well in lever actions. A little taper goes a long way to smooth feeding in a repeater. If the .360 Buckhammer is a straight-wall, tapered case, neck tension on the Bradshaw-Martin 194 SWC GC will prove inferior to neck tension of the .357 Maximum case; thus, deminishing hold-back and bullet alignment as combustion initiates. David Bradshaw
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Post by Lee Martin on Dec 31, 2022 8:02:37 GMT -5
David - thanks for clarifying on the Maximum's length. I knew between you and Bill Jr., one of you thought of going longer. I just had it backwards. -Lee www.singleactions.com "Chasing perfection five shots at a time"
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 31, 2022 11:11:44 GMT -5
SAAMI lists the .350 Legend as rimless, straight-wall 1.710” case, with .012” body taper. Said taper doubtless to promote feeding in an autoloader. The case is 1/10” longer than the rimmed, untapered straight-wall 1.605" .357 Maximum.
A few observations * .350 Legend---- Case length 1.710”. Bullet diameter .355”. Body taper .012”. Various aspects of the .350 Legend, beginning with .355” bullet diameter, seem meant to discourage the handloader. Promotion centers on commercial ammo with specialized bullets. Otherwise, why not specify .357 or .358? To specify .357 or .358 allows safe loading & accuracy from handgun and rifle bullets. The tapered rimless case is not revolver-friendly. The straight-wall, rimless case headspaces on its mouth, precluding use of a roll crimp.
* .360 Buckhammer----Case length 1.800”. Bullet diameter .358”. Body taper .033". Rimmed case, conducive to roll crimp, suitable for tubular magazine. Published description suggests a tapered, straighwall case, reinforcing need for a roll crimp. Whereas, the .30-30, introduced in the Browning’s Winchester Model 1894, has a rimmed, bottleneck case. Bottleneck design holds more powder for a given length. And----this is important----the bottleneck allows a tapered case to join a cylindrical neck (parallel sides) to evenly grip the bullet.
* .35 Remington----Case length 1.920”. Bullet diameter .358”. Rimless nottleneck case with .032" body taper. Introduced 1906 in Browning designed Remington long recoil autoloading rifle.
Are the .350 Legend and .360 Buckhammer, as Yogi Berra would smile, "deja vu, all over again?” David Bradshaw
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jeffh
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Post by jeffh on Dec 31, 2022 11:14:10 GMT -5
I like it, but it's a distraction from the extant/established 357 Max, for which brass takes a back seat to other more popular rounds anyway.
Why not support what we HAVE now and stop dreaming up new, redundant stuff,... wait, to sell more new rifles.
But, what rifle would Remington even have that this would work in?
Maybe it's a sign that Remington is going to buy TC and make Contenders and Encores? They'd ruin it again, but at least maybe we'd have TCs again for a few years.
Very cool round and practical. Regardless of what some think of the straightwall laws, they create a market, like cowboy action shooting did.
And, in flat, densely-populated NW Ohio, I do not WANT the yahoos who come out of the woodwork for deer gun season to be carrying super-flat-shooting, high-powered hardware. You get a sad glimpse of the character of a lot of "hunters" each season, whanging away at anything that looks deer-like, as it runs a gauntlet-ambush and fifteen to twenty rounds are expended on a moving deer, from rifles which get fired once a year. I am perfectly fine with the straightwall law in Ohio. In the SE part of the state, where there is some terrain to serve as backstops, the ranges of shots do not call for anything more either.
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Post by weiler on Dec 31, 2022 13:25:15 GMT -5
I like it, but it's a distraction from the extant/established 357 Max, for which brass takes a back seat to other more popular rounds anyway. Why not support what we HAVE now and stop dreaming up new, redundant stuff,... wait, to sell more new rifles. But, what rifle would Remington even have that this would work in? Maybe it's a sign that Remington is going to buy TC and make Contenders and Encores? They'd ruin it again, but at least maybe we'd have TCs again for a few years. Very cool round and practical. Regardless of what some think of the straightwall laws, they create a market, like cowboy action shooting did. And, in flat, densely-populated NW Ohio, I do not WANT the yahoos who come out of the woodwork for deer gun season to be carrying super-flat-shooting, high-powered hardware. You get a sad glimpse of the character of a lot of "hunters" each season, whanging away at anything that looks deer-like, as it runs a gauntlet-ambush and fifteen to twenty rounds are expended on a moving deer, from rifles which get fired once a year. I am perfectly fine with the straightwall law in Ohio. In the SE part of the state, where there is some terrain to serve as backstops, the ranges of shots do not call for anything more either. Well said, I grew up in knox/Richland county where it starts to get hilly, when I moved to NW Ohio after college I remember on that first drive thinking “man….this is flat”
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Post by bcelliott on Dec 31, 2022 15:34:53 GMT -5
Here's the drawing from G&A magazine. Sorry for the poor resolution.
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 31, 2022 15:53:37 GMT -5
That's a great reference and definitely a 30-30 Case with the full .506" Rim. Very good news as I plan on adding one. Making cases from other brass should be easy. I don't like turning rims down...
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woody
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Post by woody on Dec 31, 2022 16:29:55 GMT -5
So is it just a 35-30? I’ve thought about reboring a 30/30 to a 35/30 for years.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Dec 31, 2022 17:29:04 GMT -5
No it’s not a 35/30, if memory serves me right that has a shoulder.
Trapr
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Post by Encore64 on Dec 31, 2022 17:31:04 GMT -5
No it’s not a 35/30, if memory serves me right that has a shoulder. Trapr And the 35-30 is full length at 2.040"...
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