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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 18:05:35 GMT -5
I probably should spread these posts out. But, since Clements took down his website, I'd might as well show my last CCG.
This one is another different kind of gun. I suppose it's not the first Custom 5-Shot 45 Schofield, but seriously doubt they're common.
I was so impressed with the Accuracy and Velocity of the 6-Shot 45 Auto Rim Clements built me, I asked him to add an auxiliary cylinder so chambered for this gun.
Reflex264 did so much excellent research and posting on the 460 Rowland in a revolver. It really piqued my interest in making an ultimately strong 45 Auto of some chambering.
More after Tim posts pictures...
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Post by tdbarton on Sept 7, 2022 18:37:46 GMT -5
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Sept 7, 2022 18:48:18 GMT -5
Holy smokes that's nice! Congrats on a great build. Definitely one I'd be proud to own.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 7, 2022 18:52:00 GMT -5
Thanks Tim...
Most of this one is self explanatory. A 5-Shot built on a Midframe Flattop Plowhandle. I did opt for Dave to fit a Bisley Hammer. It just seemed to fit this build.
Blue Cylinder is chambered in 45 Schofield. Stainless Cylinder is chambered for 45 Auto Rim. But, also shoots 45 ACP and 45 Super.
As previously posted, throats are .452" for cast bullets. I don't know if this one will ever see a jacketed bullet.
Like the 38-44, the action is double blocked. I didn't take a picture, but sights are white outlined rear and vertical white line front.
Barrel gap is exactly .002" on both cylinders and all ten chambers.
45 Super and 460 Rowland Brass are beefed up in the web are to prevent blowout in exposed chambers of auto loading pistols. These tight custom fully enclosed chambers should do just fine with any brass...
NOTE: I don't do many dual cylinder guns. But, I really admire the way Clements marked the 45 Auto Rim Auxiliary Cylinder.
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Post by leadhound on Sept 7, 2022 20:01:10 GMT -5
Holy smokes that's nice! Congrats on a great build. Definitely one I'd be proud to own. Same here. Not much that couldn't be accomplished with this as a "one gun" option. |
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Post by weiler on Sept 7, 2022 20:53:47 GMT -5
very nice! Looking forward to see what you can get out of the “modern” schofield
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Post by kings6 on Sept 7, 2022 22:19:02 GMT -5
Our custom revolver world is losing more and more of the good guys with each passing and retirement. This makes the pieces we have from these folks that more special. One should note that I said special, not valuable, as to me that is a minor or tertiary like consideration in the overall picture of things.
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Post by bigbore5 on Sept 8, 2022 0:41:23 GMT -5
On the OP's gun, I really like the recessed rim on the AR cylinder. Great fix for the thick rim problem.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2022 6:29:32 GMT -5
This build pretty much revolved around Longshot Powder. Certainly other powders will work, but Longshot is the prime candidate.
Longshot has worked so well in high performance 45 ACP Type Cartridges and the 44 Special, I felt inclined to go this route.
In the 44 Special, Longshot gets within 50 +/- fps of 2400 with 75% less powder. The Schofield has the exact capacity as the 44 Special, so similar performance is expected.
Clements test fired this gun with my intended load of Longshot and reported excellent power and accuracy.
Longshot needs no explanation in 45 ACP +P, 45 Super or 460 Rowland Loads.
I'm looking for about 1200 fps with 230s in the Auto Rim and 250s in the Schofield. That's plenty enough for anything I do...
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Post by foxtrapper on Sept 8, 2022 6:52:17 GMT -5
Excellent!
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Post by Odin on Sept 8, 2022 7:18:53 GMT -5
Encore, would you consider the FA Model 97 an appropriate platform for such a setup as you've done here?
So often I read that one needs a M83 or full size Blackhawk for "serious" work, but it strikes me that a 97 in Colt/ACP with the ACP cylinder cut for Auto Rim brass, would be just dandy.
One could have a Schofield cylinder built if that tickles your fancy. Just adds to the versatility...
Maybe the M97 is just too light in weight? Outside of the persnickety grip design (which I'm sure will be rendered moot by Ronnie Wells in due time) I'm always curious why it isn't seen as a serious all-in-one "solution".
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2022 8:19:48 GMT -5
It would need to be limited to 30k PSI, but should work great. I've considered sending my FA97 back for two 45 ACP Cylinders and doing exactly what you are considering.
Rechambering one to 45 Schofield and the other to 45 AR.
Also, have talked to JRH about adding a 44-40 Cylinder to my FA97 44 Special.
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Post by reflex264 on Sept 8, 2022 10:07:57 GMT -5
Turned out quite nice. Love the wood in the grips.
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Post by Encore64 on Sept 8, 2022 10:26:58 GMT -5
Turned out quite nice. Love the wood in the grips. Thanks...I'd called Dave and asked about the auxiliary cylinder after reading your threads about your 460 Rowland exploits. Amazes me what these small capacity cartridges can do with modern powders. Grips for both revolvers are Missouri Walnut from Bearpaw Grips... |
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Post by Encore64 on Oct 3, 2022 14:47:13 GMT -5
Finally made it to the bench with this one today. Gun was superbly accurate with all loads.
Interestingly enough, the most accurate was Skeeter's 44 Special load of 7.5 grn Unique behind a Matt's 250 grn Wadcutter. Cases showed some burn on the outside of the case up to 8.0 grn Unique. A sure sign of low pressure.
1200 fps was easy with 2400 Powder, but not really what I want full time.
Windage did not change with either cylinder. Factory 45 ACP was the whimpiest loads I shot. They grouped dead on about 1.5" lower than full power 45 Schofield Loads. I believe they recoil so little, the muzzle just doesn't rise.
I spoke to Clements about this today. He tells me this is not unusual when two cylinders are built exactly alike at the same time. But, retrofitting an auxiliary cylinder is a different animal.
THE LOADS MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD ARE FOR MY 5-SHOT GUN ONLY...
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