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Post by tj3006 on Jan 2, 2022 12:33:41 GMT -5
Don't care much about seeing the bullet strike, Kind of cool though, but if I live long enough to be a great grandpa , I want to hear those babies giggle !
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Post by nolongcolt on Jan 2, 2022 12:35:40 GMT -5
Some of us only have public range options without driving many miles and having to take your own bench, targets etc., and then contend with other shooters who as often as not are totally undisciplined and just blazing away in all directions and making things often unsafe to be around.
Thus when some clamhead on the bench next to me at the range I shoot at cuts loose with his BRAKED whatever, blows all his muzzle blast into my face, knocks the steel lid of my steel range box closed, knocks dust out of the rafters, then yeah, it sucks. I HATE THE DAMN THINGS!
Its mostly a BS fashionable item newb shooters insist on having so as to look all tacticool. Goes right along with the nimrods that need a forklift to get all their gear on the line, drag bags, camera type 6' tripods, etc. Public ranges suck a lot of the time but thats pretty much all we have around here.
I HATE BRAKES!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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Post by sixshot on Jan 2, 2022 12:52:09 GMT -5
I don't own anything with a muzzle brake on it but when I owned a lot of TC's I had several with brakes. It's the only way you can see where you're hitting, especially if you hunt alone like I do most times. Many times a Rock Chuck would give me a second shot if it was a long way off but I had to see where the first miss went in order to make a correction, no way to do that without a good muzzle brake. At the time I still had a lathe & was making my own 13 hole brakes, no holes on the bottom to stir up the dust. One other thing, you can't zero with a brake off the gun & then put it on & have the gun zeroed, just doesn't work, at least it never did for me, it has to either be on or off.
Dick
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Post by taffin on Jan 2, 2022 13:01:35 GMT -5
I know l am just an old fart who does not understand. But I hate the damn things on a hunting rifle. I don't even like the threaded caps on the end. On. Fighting gun I understand. The reduced recoil flash hiding and all, but on a hunting rifle ? Why? I almost never shoot at a public range anymore cause of the damn things. If you don't like the recoil shoot a different cartridge ! I see Ruger Marlin has a threaded cap on the New SS 1895 SBL. On that gun I only cringe a little. But if they put that on the blue steel gun's it might be time for me to take up golf. ...tj WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO "BREAK" YOUR RIFLE??
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Post by Encore64 on Jan 2, 2022 13:03:57 GMT -5
I don't own anything with a muzzle brake on it but when I owned a lot of TC's I had several with brakes. It's the only way you can see where you're hitting, especially if you hunt alone like I do most times. Many times a Rock Chuck would give me a second shot if it was a long way off but I had to see where the first miss went in order to make a correction, no way to do that without a good muzzle brake. At the time I still had a lathe & was making my own 13 hole brakes, no holes on the bottom to stir up the dust. One other thing, you can't zero with a brake off the gun & then put it on & have the gun zeroed, just doesn't work, at least it never did for me, it has to either be on or off. Dick I'm in agreement with this. It's pretty much what I was getting at earlier. It's completely different when you're out hunting than at a Public Range. At a Public Range, you have to deal with....uh....the public. I know one guy who complains that when he goes to the country to hunt he doesn't like to hear tractors, ATVs, etc. Well, guess what people in the country do?
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Post by tj3006 on Jan 2, 2022 21:48:10 GMT -5
John, If I follow your drift, You are referring to my take up golf, remark, I would use golf clubs, and not a rifle, I was kidding anyway, golf just ain't my thing. Love sports like football baseball and basketball. If the wood and seteel 95s have a threaded cap, I probably just will wait for a 94 in A big bore caliber. ...tj
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Post by zeus on Jan 2, 2022 22:19:34 GMT -5
Some of us only have public range options without driving many miles and having to take your own bench, targets etc., and then contend with other shooters who as often as not are totally undisciplined and just blazing away in all directions and making things often unsafe to be around. Thus when some clamhead on the bench next to me at the range I shoot at cuts loose with his BRAKED whatever, blows all his muzzle blast into my face, knocks the steel lid of my steel range box closed, knocks dust out of the rafters, then yeah, it sucks. I HATE THE DAMN THINGS! Its mostly a BS fashionable item newb shooters insist on having so as to look all tacticool. Goes right along with the nimrods that need a forklift to get all their gear on the line, drag bags, camera type 6' tripods, etc. Public ranges suck a lot of the time but thats pretty much all we have around here. I HATE BRAKES! HAPPY NEW YEAR! So, let me make sure I got what you’re saying….you don’t like the brakes? 🤣🤣🤣 I have them on 6.5s and I think on one of my 308s. We shoot those in competitions. I am far from a NewB and I could not give a hoot about tacticool. But assuming I’m a “clamhead” and know nothing would be pretty funny. Brakes have their purpose for certain guns. I’m also a “nimrod” I guess as I have big tripods for my spotters, I use labradar, and wind/ballistic meters so I’m gonna guess you wouldn’t like me at your range. You may not like smacking steel at 2 miles plus, I do. I may not like what you shoot?? But……that’s what keeps our sport going. If we all liked the same crap it would be boring. But if we can’t learn to tolerate others then you just can’t grow. I don’t like the old guys popping off non stop next to me when I’m concentrating trying out a new load batch. But that’s what they are there to do and it’s the range so guess what, it’s gonna be noisy. Last trip out there were four guys behind me talking so loud I couldn’t think straight. It was by far more obnoxious than all the blasting I could hear around me. But they are there every week, same day same time. Good guys. Just not a lot of etiquette because they didn’t realize it was distracting. The concentration needed to shoot these big guns may surprise you. I’m looking for basically a one hole group. The distances we shoot, it has to be almost perfect. I’m bothered more by guys that show up to shoot and need to go down range every 5 minutes because they don’t have a spotting scope with them and want to go look at a target. But, it is what it is. I guess in the end, their brake may bother you, something you do may bother them as well but we just gotta make it work. 😁😁 Just be glad this one isn’t next to you 😜 that’s a 615 grain solid .458 leaving at almost 3200 FPS. Shooting a 5 shot group in this pic at 2100 yards testing a load and working on ballistic corrections. ![](https://i.imgur.com/HAQUQOR.jpg)
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Post by sixshot on Jan 3, 2022 1:19:59 GMT -5
Well it's pretty well known that I don't shoot rifles but if I did shoot them, big ones like some people I would have a good muzzle brake on them, just to survive. You have to be accurate with any gun & shooting those big boys takes a lot of time, effort & expense, why would you beat yourself up with a big caliber if you don't have to, just asking. One of my son's has 2 375 Chey-Tac's & 2 50 caliber Barrett's, I've fired 3-4 rounds in a couple of them & I can tell you that if they didn't have a muzzle brake on them I probably wouldn't be typing this, at least with all 8 fingers. The first gentle nudge on one of the 50 Calibers was under the roof at the range & the concussion blew the foam padding out of the gun case that was sitting on the next concrete bench over...blew it clear out of the box! I was glad to have that brake on though!
Dick
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jan 3, 2022 13:51:52 GMT -5
Having dealt with the public and some of our new recruits for my FD career the list of things I hate is extensive. However, you either get along or move along,…..I’ve got loudeners and quieters on my guns, most of them are without either, and I have valid reasons for having each one outfitted accordingly. None are on there for the singular purpose of to reduce recoil. Most are mild recoiling guns to begin with, but the ability to “rapidly” reacquire a target has been my focus in competitive shooting since 1998.
Trapr
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Post by magnumwheelman on Jan 3, 2022 15:23:00 GMT -5
at the risk of sounding like a "know it all"
the trouble with muzzle breaks, is anyone can build one, most build them without understanding anything about the engineering, & sound dynamics...
My retired Tool & Die buddy made me several, for both handguns & rifles... to put it in layman's terms, his "ports" were always at an angle, slightly angled forward... the result of doing this, makes the sound angle forward, instead of straight sideways, or rearward... none of his muzzle breaks ever made a gun louder to the shooter, or those beside the gun....
I'll look if I can find some pictures of what I'm talking about...
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Post by magnumwheelman on Jan 3, 2022 15:45:17 GMT -5
This Dan Wesson 357 Maximum has a barrel nut compensator on the end of the barrel... one large port... it does an effective job of reducing muzzle rise, & on this 6" barrel, it sticks out about an extra inch... the curious thing, is the gun is louder in front of the gun, than if it were a 7" barrel, so it's not a suppressor, yet back where the shooters ears are, it is more quiet, than a 7" barrel, because the angles the port sides are cut at, deflect the noise forward... ![](https://i.ibb.co/6sqgRt4/357-max-3.jpg) in reality, most ported guns are no louder than the barrel length would be at the most rearward port... so most make the gunm as loud as a 1" shorter barrel would be... depending on the location of the ports ( on the sides, or bottom, or top ) they may make the guns louder to shooters beside the weapon... Flash suppressor users need not suffer, somewhere around here I have a picture of my 22 Hornet revolver shot at night, with a muzzle break with round holes radially around the barrel, but angles towards the muzzle no recoil, & no muzzle flash... This one was an experiment, but is still currently on my Ruger scout rifle in .308... it has less angle on the ports, but ridges to deflect the forces... I don't think it works as well, as the same amount of ports at a steeper angle... but, it certainly isn't any louder than the 20" barrel with the thread protect on it... ![](https://i.ibb.co/dW7zn3z/SANYO-DIGITAL-CAMERA.jpg)
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Post by jeffh on Jan 3, 2022 15:53:07 GMT -5
I don't have much room to talk here, because there are no public ranges near me and I wouldn't go to them if there were. I have become very picky about who I spend time with and very, VERY picky about who I shoot with. As narcissistic as it may sound, I'm down to shooting alone any more.
It's not just brakes, but anything anyone can do which is disrespectful and inconsiderate, regardless of whether it's intentional or dismissive. If a fella wants or needs a brake, live and let live, but it should be inherent to said fella's conscience to at least try to be respectful of others around them.
I don't think it's about brakes - I think it's about how generally inconsiderate of other's around them the world has become. See it on the roads, in the grocery store, anywhere anyone is allowed to be.
My view on brakes aligns with tj3006's, but if someone else wants one, fine. Just wish others could be a littel less self-centered. It sheds a bad light on a lot of things, not just brakes.
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Post by nolongcolt on Jan 3, 2022 22:31:45 GMT -5
Some of us only have public range options without driving many miles and having to take your own bench, targets etc., and then contend with other shooters who as often as not are totally undisciplined and just blazing away in all directions and making things often unsafe to be around. Thus when some clamhead on the bench next to me at the range I shoot at cuts loose with his BRAKED whatever, blows all his muzzle blast into my face, knocks the steel lid of my steel range box closed, knocks dust out of the rafters, then yeah, it sucks. I HATE THE DAMN THINGS! Its mostly a BS fashionable item newb shooters insist on having so as to look all tacticool. Goes right along with the nimrods that need a forklift to get all their gear on the line, drag bags, camera type 6' tripods, etc. Public ranges suck a lot of the time but thats pretty much all we have around here. I HATE BRAKES! HAPPY NEW YEAR! So, let me make sure I got what you’re saying….you don’t like the brakes? 🤣🤣🤣 I have them on 6.5s and I think on one of my 308s. We shoot those in competitions. I am far from a NewB and I could not give a hoot about tacticool. But assuming I’m a “clamhead” and know nothing would be pretty funny. Brakes have their purpose for certain guns. I’m also a “nimrod” I guess as I have big tripods for my spotters, I use labradar, and wind/ballistic meters so I’m gonna guess you wouldn’t like me at your range. You may not like smacking steel at 2 miles plus, I do. I may not like what you shoot?? But……that’s what keeps our sport going. If we all liked the same crap it would be boring. But if we can’t learn to tolerate others then you just can’t grow. I don’t like the old guys popping off non stop next to me when I’m concentrating trying out a new load batch. But that’s what they are there to do and it’s the range so guess what, it’s gonna be noisy. Last trip out there were four guys behind me talking so loud I couldn’t think straight. It was by far more obnoxious than all the blasting I could hear around me. But they are there every week, same day same time. Good guys. Just not a lot of etiquette because they didn’t realize it was distracting. The concentration needed to shoot these big guns may surprise you. I’m looking for basically a one hole group. The distances we shoot, it has to be almost perfect. I’m bothered more by guys that show up to shoot and need to go down range every 5 minutes because they don’t have a spotting scope with them and want to go look at a target. But, it is what it is. I guess in the end, their brake may bother you, something you do may bother them as well but we just gotta make it work. 😁😁 Just be glad this one isn’t next to you 😜 that’s a 615 grain solid .458 leaving at almost 3200 FPS. Shooting a 5 shot group in this pic at 2100 yards testing a load and working on ballistic corrections. ![](https://i.imgur.com/HAQUQOR.jpg) If I had any pull at the County range I would vote to ban the damn things! Cant handle your rifles recoil, tough, go home and come back with a rifle you can handle without firing something with an obnoxious BRAKE on the end of it. Do I really, really feel that way? OH YEAH!!!!! ![>:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png)
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Post by pacecars on Jan 3, 2022 22:58:43 GMT -5
Never had a rifle with a brake on it but have had a S&W .500 with the 8 3/8” barrel with the brake on it and now my Nosler 7mm-08 pistol has a brake on it. The first time I fired the .500 I was at a members only range and the pistol range shooting area is covered with a tin roof. I told the several other shooters that the pistol had a brake on it and I had no idea how loud it was going to be. They laughed and said go ahead, it won’t bother us. The first shot was immediately followed be a “Holy Shit! What in the hell is that thing?!” I prefer a suppressor on my guns when possible but if a brake is a must it is common courtesy to inform your fellow shooters. I also warn them when I shoot my Shiloh .50-90 that the big deep boom will be followed by a large cloud of smoke and lots of giggles.😎
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Post by zeus on Jan 4, 2022 9:41:48 GMT -5
So, let me make sure I got what you’re saying….you don’t like the brakes? 🤣🤣🤣 I have them on 6.5s and I think on one of my 308s. We shoot those in competitions. I am far from a NewB and I could not give a hoot about tacticool. But assuming I’m a “clamhead” and know nothing would be pretty funny. Brakes have their purpose for certain guns. I’m also a “nimrod” I guess as I have big tripods for my spotters, I use labradar, and wind/ballistic meters so I’m gonna guess you wouldn’t like me at your range. You may not like smacking steel at 2 miles plus, I do. I may not like what you shoot?? But……that’s what keeps our sport going. If we all liked the same crap it would be boring. But if we can’t learn to tolerate others then you just can’t grow. I don’t like the old guys popping off non stop next to me when I’m concentrating trying out a new load batch. But that’s what they are there to do and it’s the range so guess what, it’s gonna be noisy. Last trip out there were four guys behind me talking so loud I couldn’t think straight. It was by far more obnoxious than all the blasting I could hear around me. But they are there every week, same day same time. Good guys. Just not a lot of etiquette because they didn’t realize it was distracting. The concentration needed to shoot these big guns may surprise you. I’m looking for basically a one hole group. The distances we shoot, it has to be almost perfect. I’m bothered more by guys that show up to shoot and need to go down range every 5 minutes because they don’t have a spotting scope with them and want to go look at a target. But, it is what it is. I guess in the end, their brake may bother you, something you do may bother them as well but we just gotta make it work. 😁😁 Just be glad this one isn’t next to you 😜 that’s a 615 grain solid .458 leaving at almost 3200 FPS. Shooting a 5 shot group in this pic at 2100 yards testing a load and working on ballistic corrections. ![](https://i.imgur.com/HAQUQOR.jpg) If I had any pull at the County range I would vote to ban the damn things! Cant handle your rifles recoil, tough, go home and come back with a rifle you can handle without firing something with an obnoxious BRAKE on the end of it. Do I really, really feel that way? OH YEAH!!!!! ![>:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png) You are both missing the entire point of the brake and don’t care all at the same time. Has nothing to do with not being able to take the recoil. Not all of us shoot 22s. Any of the big guns will bounce all over without a brake. The smaller ones don’t move at all with a brake so you can spot impacts/misses. It is becoming apparent from your posts to me that you are a casual shooter, not a competitor and your calling names of the guys that show up with equipment used for competition just backs that up. Nothing wrong with that. Thankfully, here when I run across someone like that, they are intrigued and ask questions. They’ve heard of the matches we shoot and are curious. They ask great questions. I’ve let them try our rifles etc. I’ve seen maybe a dozen of them show up at future matches. That’s how you help it grow. Fortunately, for your fellow shooters, you don’t have any pull to take away their freedom of shooting what makes them happy and brought them to the sport. As I said earlier. There is always a way to drive folks away from the shooting sports. It’s much better to acknowledge that we don’t all have the exact same likes or dislikes and move on when at the range. I hear the pistol guys over in the distance shooting as fast as my full auto guns and I know they aren’t hitting anything. I shake my head and smile. If you go through life wanting to find something to be pissed at, I promise you won’t have to look far. I think you’d be happier to buy property and just make your own private range. I know I would love it if I could find some.
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