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Post by bushog on Dec 21, 2020 13:35:34 GMT -5
YES!
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Post by rjm52 on Dec 22, 2020 4:53:56 GMT -5
..apparently you have as good a taste in women as you do guns!!!
Have a Merry Christmas...Bob
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Post by needsmostuff on Dec 24, 2020 18:39:57 GMT -5
Were the guys at the gun shop snickering when they told you it was sold ?
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Post by JM on Dec 24, 2020 20:57:58 GMT -5
Were the guys at the gun shop snickering when they told you it was sold ? Nope. I had no clue.
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Post by JM on Dec 26, 2020 21:42:31 GMT -5
Anyone know how to adjust the trigger stop properly? Looks like the side-plate must be removed to do so.
The ejector rod loosens/lengthens as the cylinder rotates. Is a pin-drop of blue loctite on the threads advisable?
Thank you.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 26, 2020 22:21:05 GMT -5
Anyone know how to adjust the trigger stop properly? Looks like the side-plate must be removed to do so. The ejector rod loosens/lengthens as the cylinder rotates. Is a pin-drop of blue loctite on the threads advisable? Thank you. ***** JM.... don’t go nuts. Remove S&W sideplateTo remove SIDEPLATE, use S&W or other proper-fit screwdriver to remove the 3 screws. * Front screw----secures YOKE. (To remove cylinder, remove forward screw, swing out cylinder, etc.) Use same screw when securing side plate. * Middle screw----same as front screw (domed head) except front screw may be tuned to ZERO HEADSPACE yoke. * Rear screw----flat head. Tap grip back strap with wood or rubber hammer handle to spring side plate away from frame. To adjust trigger stop, loosen screw, set tab, tighten screw. Trigger must have enough over travel to release hammer. This is not an interference fit; allow movement. Install sideplate* Set HAMMER BLOCK at top of its movement. Hammer block is held by pin on REBOUND SLIDE and cammed via slot in sideplate. * Set hammer block slot over hammer block. * Slide sideplate up to catch lip under FRAME. * Press side plate down----finger pressure only----as close to flush as possible. If hammer block has shifted, start over. * Insert sideplate screws. Counter-rotate each screw until it CLICKS to index threads. Tighten screws----light finger pressure only----alternating pattern, a bit at a time. Ejector rod* Left hand thread for past 50 years. * Chamber 2 or more unloaded cases to support extractor. * Use padded plier (I use lead) on knurled end of ejector rod. A loose ejector rod binds the spring-loaded stud under barrel, may prevent swing-out. DO NOT use thread locker on ejector rod! David Bradshaw
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Post by JM on Dec 26, 2020 23:19:11 GMT -5
David, Thanks. I've been inside a S&W #36 J-Frame, but it was a long time ago. I've learned enough since then to understand that I did not practice correct technique to dislodge side-plate. I do have some proper sized hollow ground (Brownells & Grace) screw drivers. I recall the hammer block presenting a slight challenge upon reassembly at first.
Sounds like the trigger over-travel stop may have a lock screw through a slot type of adjustment arrangement.
The ejector rod moved forward after several cylinders enough to resist cylinder swing out. Tightening with fingers restored proper swing.
Other than that, revolver shows promise. Right handed shooter still struggling with trigger anxiety & smashing the trigger when sights align on target. Shots are trending left.
Also tested new shooting glasses with upside down bi-focal for dominant eye today. I haven't been able to focus upon a front sight that well in a long time.
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Post by bradshaw on Dec 27, 2020 0:48:38 GMT -5
JM..... more accuracy is killed at the trigger than anywhere else.
Try this: accumulate pressure on trigger, SQUEEZING STRAIGHT BACK INTO YOUR EYE. Hold this line through your squeeze. Squint eye for the second it takes to squeeze. FOCUS MORE ON YOUR SQUEEZE THAN YOUR SIGHT.
Release double action trigger same smooth motion as squeeze... in same straight line. David Bradshaw
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Post by JM on Dec 27, 2020 7:36:21 GMT -5
JM..... more accuracy is killed at the trigger than anywhere else. Try this: accumulate pressure on trigger, SQUEEZING STRAIGHT BACK INTO YOUR EYE. Hold this line through your squeeze. Squint eye for the second it takes to squeeze. FOCUS MORE ON YOUR SQUEEZE THAN YOUR SIGHT. Release double action trigger same smooth speed you squeeze, in same straight line. David Bradshaw I have bean reading & studying technique. Much emphasis on razor sharp front sight focus. I become impatient as I weave & snap the trigger during the brief moment when I have the best sight picture. I will try what you suggest. I rolled off a couple of cylinders D/A & was surprised to see my group size cut in half.
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Post by JM on Jan 1, 2021 18:05:34 GMT -5
Made some progress. The range was more relaxed today. Fighting my impatience is still difficult. Attempted to concentrate more upon consistent grip & pull vs. perfect sight alignment.
There is a steel silhouette at 50yds. Usually it is busy, so I haven't tried it before. Wasn't difficult to keep all shots on in S/A. Managed to keep all 6 on steel in D/A once. The other couple of times I dropped 1 or 2.
Have not made any changes to revolver other than rear sight adjustment.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 1, 2021 20:56:46 GMT -5
Made some progress. The range was more relaxed today. Fighting my impatience is still difficult. Attempted to concentrate more upon consistent grip & pull vs. perfect sight alignment. There is a steel silhouette at 50yds. Usually it is busy, so I haven't tried it before. Wasn't difficult to keep all shots on in S/A. Managed to keep all 6 on steel in D/A once. The other couple of times I dropped 1 or 2. Have not made any changes to revolver other than rear sight adjustment. ***** JM.... long talk this first day of 2021 with Colt Python maestro Jerry Moran. Jerry says he’d just put 5x5 into 3/4” @ 50 feet, offhand double action with a Ruger GP-100 6” .357. Our conversation interrupted by my need to shoot the Ruger 03 on aerial targets with a red and a green fiberoptic sight, back-to-back comparison. Neither Moran nor I stage the double action squeeze; it is one accumulation of pressure.... squeezing straight back in line with your eye, I call it. If there are two shortcuts to proficiency: 1) DRY FIRE using 2) the coordinations of live fire (TECHNIQUE). “Fighting my impatience.“ A tip: start with BREATHING; work one coordination at a time. The Model 17 is a choice instrument on which to hone technique. David Bradshaw
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Post by JM on Jan 1, 2021 23:31:36 GMT -5
JM.... long talk this first day of 2021 with Colt Python maestro Jerry Moran. Jerry says he’d just put 5x5 into 3/4” @ 50 feet, offhand double action with a Ruger GP-100 6” .357. Our conversation interrupted by my need to shoot the Ruger 03 on aerial targets with a red and a green fiberoptic sight, back-to-back comparison. Neither Moran nor I stage the double action squeeze; it is one accumulation of pressure.... squeezing straight back in line with your eye, I call it. If there are two shortcuts to proficiency: 1) DRY FIRE using 2) the coordinations of live fire (TECHNIQUE). “Fighting my impatience.“ A tip: start with BREATHING; work one coordination at a time. The Model 17 is a choice instrument on which to hone technique. David Bradshaw I fell into the bad habit of staging D/A with my 1st S&W #36. I am now working to break that. I am 100% self taught first generation shooter. Learn from reading gun magazines, books & eventually internet. Most sources of info stress plenty of practice, but not as much definition of breaking down each step of the process. I'm experiencing better S/A results by building each shot individually. Extend arms into a semi Weaver type of stance, thumb back hammer with left thumb as arms reach full extension while beginning sight capture & strong inhale, refine sight, engage trigger face, exhale & begin squeeze. After shot breaks, fold arms back to chest/muzzle down to left, then repeat. When I keep arms extended through 6 shot string, I generate 1-2 flyers that open group to 1.25"+. I need to work on maintaining hold/follow through after shot breaks before bringing handgun back. I was too quick on that step. My target is .875" (matches sight width) black square on 9" paper plate @ 7yds. PS. Please define 5x5.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 2, 2021 1:45:13 GMT -5
JM.... a note to instructors: if you can’t articulate WHAT you’re doing when you shoot, you can’t teach it.
It is evident, JM, you are looking at what you do. Nobody gets past the FIRING LINE without fundamentals. Meaning, between firing line and target is No Man’s Land. Until we coordinate the fundamentals. I call putting those fundamentals together COORDINATIONS. TRIGGER SQUEEZE has two components take-up and follow through. As you observe, Trigger squeeze continues to target. To drop gun immediately after the shot may lead to dropping the gun at hammer fall----before bullet departs muzzle. Curtains for accuracy. Worse, you may want to look at the target while dropping the gun, maybe to se the target before the bullet gets there.
A step you may want to introduce to SQUEEZE----which only works with FOLLOW THROUGH----is to CALL the SHOT.
Terms such as “engage trigger face” sound officious and shallow. Folks have tried for generations to coin replacement jargon for “squeeze,” which says more in one word than any substitution I’ve heard. You’re gaining on it, David Bradshaw
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Post by JM on Jan 2, 2021 10:29:44 GMT -5
Engage trigger face is describing the moment my finger leaves the side of the trigger guard & touches trigger prior to squeeze.
After reading your reply, I think my eye is chasing the bullet to target to verify hit.
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Post by bradshaw on Jan 2, 2021 12:18:53 GMT -5
Engage trigger face is describing the moment my finger leaves the side of the trigger guard & touches trigger prior to squeeze. After reading your reply, I think my eye is chasing the bullet to target to verify hit. ***** JM.... MUZZLE CONTROL is the first and last rule of firearms handling. The second rule: FINGER OFF TRIGGER until ready to shoot. Muzzle control & trigger control extend straight to MARKSMANSHIP. Marksmanship comes before tactics. Anything resembling tactics takes a back seat until the COORDINATIONS of MARKSMANSHIP take root. We’re not going into a whole lesson here, yet it is imperative the fundamentals of putting or otherwise diluted BULLET ON TARGET not be interrupted or otherwise diluted. Accuracy exists with follow through. Without follow through accuracy does not exist. BalanceThe coordinations begin with balance. Balance is the base. Balance means weight on both feet. Balance begins with adjusting your body to the target----not moving your gun to the target! Stance, Isosceles or Weaver?* Isosceles----arms extended to form equilateral triangle with chest, feet square (90-degree) to target----is the fastest to teach and to learn. Maximum eye relief----distance from eye to front sight----provides clearest sight picture. Best position for long range offhand accuracy. * Weaver----a.k.a. boxer stance, feet angled (according to anatomy) to target. Lead foot below support hand (roughly). Knees may be slightly bent. Both elbows bent slightly, although arm of gun hand may be extende d nearly straight to act as a shoulder stock. Push/pull technique is variable from none too strong. The Weaver, or boxer’s stance, provides best cushion for wrists & elbows under heavy recoil. Also, lowest center-of-gravity and best lateral flexibility. TargetThe target is the final arbiter of accuracy. Doctrine does not arbitrate accuracy. Form & technique refine according to anatomy to advance skill. A partnerTo shoot with a partner who challenges your skill----through performance, not ego----brings rapid advance. A partner stimulates improvement and may enable one or both to break out of a flat spot or plateau. AloneDry fire is the best way to self-analyze BREATHING, SIGHTING, SQUEEZE & FOLLOW THROUGH. Thus, dry fire on the range provides an excellent warmup to live fire. Avoid recoil until follow through becomes a continuation of squeeze. Carry on, David Bradshaw
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