tj3006
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Post by tj3006 on Jul 15, 2020 9:01:35 GMT -5
Guy,s Does it not come down to a simple question ? Either man has Dominion over the animals or he doesn't. I argue this with anti hunters every now and then. If you are a vegetarian i respect your opinion , but respectfully disagree. If you eat meat, somebody killed it, so your moral hi ground exists only in your imagination , and like pilot you can wash your hands all day but you are still responsible for the death. i don,t think the Steer you ate for dinner wanted to die anymore than the buck i shot last fall. There are animals i would not want to kill. The elephant is one of them. But it is an animal, and as far as i am concerned we have dominion over everything not human. So if somebody else kills it, that,s up to them ...tj
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Post by caryc on Jul 15, 2020 12:21:38 GMT -5
Guy,s Does it not come down to a simple question ? Either man has Dominion over the animals or he doesn't. I argue this with anti hunters every now and then. If you are a vegetarian i respect your opinion , but respectfully disagree. If you eat meat, somebody killed it, so your moral hi ground exists only in your imagination , and like pilot you can wash your hands all day but you are still responsible for the death. i don,t think the Steer you ate for dinner wanted to die anymore than the buck i shot last fall. There are animals i would not want to kill. The elephant is one of them. But it is an animal, and as far as i am concerned we have dominion over everything not human. So if somebody else kills it, that,s up to them ...tj I've said a lot in this thread so let me make something clear here. I don't hunt but that does not make me an anti hunter. It's just my choice and has nothing to do with anyone else. I just don't need to hunt. But, it always gets me on those Alaskan shows when they shoot some animal, they always say to the animal "Thank you for sacrificing your life for us". That animal did not willingly sacrifice it's life, you just plain killed it. It's the hypocritical part that I don't like. I don't expect that they will be spouting that crap over a steak dinner in a restaurant.
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Post by tj3006 on Jul 15, 2020 19:10:09 GMT -5
caryc i agree , i don't get that either, i when i kill something, i am not real cerimonial about it. Ivenjoy hunting and take great pleasure in a well placed shot. But i feel no need to do anything more than clean it and eat it !
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Post by oddshooter on Jul 19, 2020 10:27:25 GMT -5
It's beyond me how someone can think one animal has "dominion" over another. Dominance maybe, dominion no. For a great deal of man's existence, people thought ordained "Royalty" had dominion over the peasants. Most places have evolved past that theory.
Most animals kill to eat. None, other than man, treats it as a trophy. What a concept.
If you like to hunt, fine; humans have been doing it for a very long time to survive. Stronger animals eat weaker animals. The rest of the discussion is sheer fantasy about some mythical god given right. It's your dominance that allows you to kill, not being entitled because you're special.
A little balance: PETA has it wrong as well. I have no idea what 'ethical treatment" is. Slaughter house or in the field, dead is dead. Those of us who hunt understand a clean kill; we feel something for the animal. How far that feeling goes seems to be the question. Just forget the justification part.
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Post by pacecars on Jul 19, 2020 10:47:42 GMT -5
According to the Bible man has dominion over the beasts. Whether you believe that or not I can’t say. As for the killing of other animals for sport or “fun” man is not alone. Wolves and Coyotes will kill for the heck of it and so does your common house cat
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Post by squawberryman on Jul 19, 2020 14:10:29 GMT -5
Otters will chew the tails off of every blue gill in a pond and throw them on the bank.
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Post by RDW on Jul 27, 2020 9:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by bigbrowndog on Jul 27, 2020 14:10:00 GMT -5
On the subject of funny(peculiar) I think it funny how so many people truly believe MAN is the only being on the planet that will kill for the sake of killing. As well as how many feel so distraught about the death of a cute furry little animal, but not insects, or snakes, or other “scary” animals. Have they ever thought about the last thing that went through the brain of that bug on their vehicle grill? ? Trapr
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Post by bogusbill on Jul 27, 2020 16:12:53 GMT -5
I recall as a small boy lighting a match on a worm. My dad walked up on me and gave me hell. My reasoning was dont you/we spear them through with a hook in a couple places? I heard of a family story of one of my uncles trying to skin or butcher a family house cat in the middle of the night after grandpa butchered a hog that day. Once when I was about twelve I went pheasant hunting with our preacher and a adult distant cousin. I had just read a article in a sporting magazine about "Killer cats" and how they killed and ate pheasants etc. A big black cat jumped up in front of me, there were farms all around us. I shot the cat. My cousin got on me that that cat was someones pet! Our preacher was sort of laughing. When I was young I shot my share of pheasants, rabbits, deer etc for food. Then both of my wives wouldn't eat Bambi so I quit hunting. A few years ago I hit a fawn with our utv. It was bleating pathetically and my wife a animal lover was going berserk. I always pack and gave it a mercy shot. My wife cried for a couple days. I never was a varmint hunter although I used to shoot rats at the village dump when a kid. For three years I worked for the NPS and my home state of Wisconsin conservation dept. I can see varmint hunting for ranchers and farmers if they think it`s a must. There are plenty of ground squirrels where we live plus the conservation dept here in Utah kills coyotes from planes. The dept has a hanger right near mine when I had a plane and I used to know those guys. I can see where it would be a fun job but something about shooting them from the air would bother me. How sporting IS sporting when you go to a game farm that raises buffalo`s or anything else where a guide drives you to them, you get out and drop one and have the head mounted on your wall? I figure if I can hit a tin can at a hundred yards it could as well have been a buffalo, buck or whatever else. I have nothing to prove. Anyway I am crippled, cant walk over a few yards and going on eighty, but still have some fine guns for everything.
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Post by sorehandluke on Jul 31, 2020 22:21:57 GMT -5
In the classic book, "Moby Dick" the whaling vessel Pequod had all sorts of ivory fixtures on the decks from the sperm whales they had harvested. If a dead whale were to wash up, wouldn't it be great to be able to take the wasting ivory and make us all some snappy grip panels? I'd buy ivory grips off a dead whale since nobody killed it for money. That would still be illegal, though, I suppose.
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Post by nolongcolt on Jul 31, 2020 22:41:17 GMT -5
Its a fairy tale to believe that only man kills for pleasure/sport. Pure pablum for the masses!
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Post by sorehandluke on Jul 31, 2020 23:15:49 GMT -5
Its a fairy tale to believe that only man kills for pleasure/sport. Pure pablum for the masses! There are videos of Orca whales chasing sea lions, catching them, then playing with them. They don't kill them immediately. They toss them into the air, let them escape then recapture and toss them again. Cats play with mice til they're dead. A buddy's Black and tan hound would catch a pheasant, break it's wing and/or a leg then lay on it, wallow in it, carry it around (like a trophy) then present it to his owner.
The higher the animal the more likely it enjoys its work.
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Post by caryc on Aug 1, 2020 10:45:48 GMT -5
On the subject of funny(peculiar) I think it funny how so many people truly believe MAN is the only being on the planet that will kill for the sake of killing. As well as how many feel so distraught about the death of a cute furry little animal, but not insects, or snakes, or other “scary” animals. Have they ever thought about the last thing that went through the brain of that bug on their vehicle grill? ? Trapr When it comes to insects or snakes or even furry little animals, it depends on where they try to habitate. Sure, I will kill bugs in my house. No one wants to live with bugs. But, will I kill a spider outside just because it's there, no? A snake is a different thing. Snakes are beneficial because they eat rodents. I don't kill snakes. The last rattle snake that got a little too close to my place for comfort ended up captured in a five gallon bucket and found a new home quite distant from my place.
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Post by kings6 on Aug 1, 2020 11:24:00 GMT -5
As one who has a fair number of grips of both varieties I obviously enjoy both ivory and walnut but I just want to say I appreciate the members here who have the maturity and graciousness enough to discuss topics like this and keep things civil. That is not the case on many other sites.
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Post by dhd on Aug 1, 2020 16:21:52 GMT -5
I was thinking of making a set of grips out of a rotten pallet from behind the liquor store. I'll cover them with MarineTex and say they're hippo ivory. Wait, on second thought I'll stain them with a walnut stain and say they're French walnut.
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