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Post by squigz on May 21, 2020 11:46:42 GMT -5
I have had very good luck with the Speer 275 grain GHP bullets on Iowa whitetails. I was running them at 1550 to 1600 fps. I think they would work fine at 1400 fps. All the extra velocity does is give you a little more range. I have shot deer drt at 75yards with with that bullet. Jess B. That's good to know. I've been wanting to give them a chance but I haven't gotten around to it. Not asking specifics of the load; but are you running the 296/h110 data? How's the recoil/blast from running them that close to 1600? Is accuracy as good with the 275's as the 325's? I've heard that it falls off with the lighter bullets at a distance, but again, that's not personally testing them just word of mouth.
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Post by Thunderjet on May 22, 2020 9:00:41 GMT -5
I'll have to pick up some of the Speer HP's as well. I wasn't aware of them until you guys posted. Yesterday I ordered 6 boxes of Barnes 275 grains copper bullets. But the Speers are more than 50% less per bullet and deer are small animals.
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Post by willicd on May 22, 2020 9:35:30 GMT -5
Yes, deer ARE small animals. That makes a bullet choice debate in a 480 almost inconsequential. Maybe even comical...
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Post by jessb57 on May 22, 2020 9:50:48 GMT -5
squigz, Yes I have been using 296 powder for that load 33grs. which is 1 grn. less than the max load in Speer's #14 manual. I am shooting that load out of a 7 1/2" SRH that I have had since April of 2001. In the SRH the recoil is tolerable. The blast is loud. The wife has a picture of me shooting at dusk showing about 2 to 3 feet of flame coming out of the muzzle. I shot a cylinder full of those loads out of my 5 shot 6 1/2" Bisley SBH it was very apparent that I should back off the powder charge for that gun. I have not played with that much yet. Jess B.
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Post by Thunderjet on May 22, 2020 9:52:59 GMT -5
Yes, deer ARE small animals. That makes a bullet choice debate in a 480 almost inconsequential. Maybe even comical... Some expansion would still be beneficial. It could aid in DRT drops or better blood trails. We rarely get snow and our forest floor is covered with leaves, many of them with partial red coloring, makes for difficult tracking. Any help is good.
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Post by willicd on May 22, 2020 10:00:40 GMT -5
That could be true, but if the wound doesn't seal up, I'd see little difference in a .475 hole vs a .550 hole. I was wrong once before though. If you want knocked down and DRT performance, I'd shoot the lightest bullet you can get as fast as you can push it, and it would be a traditional cup and core. Definitely not a monometal. It MAY not get complete penetration which goes against what we generally strive for with a handgun. If you place a heavy 480 through the shoulders and he makes it to the neighbors, you are simply set up too close to the neighbors!
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Post by bula on May 22, 2020 10:02:41 GMT -5
The Speer 275 hP's should be "deer grenades" when pushed. The 325gr is a SP and don't know if you'll get expansion on broadside shots. It has a good flat point area and an any angle bullet for deer would be my GUESS. If the Hornady 325 XTP HP's hadn't gone up so much, they'd be a good compromise bullet. The Hawk bullets have caught my interest, any one here have hands on experience with them in 480's or similar ?
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Post by jessb57 on May 22, 2020 10:02:46 GMT -5
I'll have to pick up some of the Speer HP's as well. I wasn't aware of them until you guys posted. Yesterday I ordered 6 boxes of Barnes 275 grains copper bullets. But the Speers are more than 50% less per bullet and deer are small animals. thunderjet, I do not have any experience with the Barnes 275 gr. bullets. I do know you won't be disapointed in the 275 gr. GHP. I have never recovered one from a deer so can't speak to how it expands but it doesn't really matter when the deer is dead in it's tracks. Jess B.
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Post by bula on May 22, 2020 10:15:14 GMT -5
Speer seems to want to sell jacketed 480/475 bullets, as in reasonable prices compared to the competition. Inline with their current pricing, sure would like to see them make a 350gr HP. Something that would open easily but weight and shank to take it deeper.
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Post by Thunderjet on May 22, 2020 10:43:59 GMT -5
Speer seems to want to sell jacketed 480/475 bullets, as in reasonable prices compared to the competition. Inline with their current pricing, sure would like to see them make a 350gr HP. Something that would open easily but weight and shank to take it deeper. Agree with all points. Excellent idea about the 350 HP
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Post by sixshot on May 22, 2020 10:56:19 GMT -5
I think maybe deer are getting tougher.....
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Post by Fowler on May 22, 2020 11:26:00 GMT -5
I think maybe deer are getting tougher..... Dick Shoot wasn't the load you shot through your moose and your buddy used to kill his with a 480 and a 375gr softnosed/hollowpoint at 950fps? I wonder how big and tough these whitetails are that they are after? I think an intensive study should be held, I volunteer to go to the front lines and go to battle with them! Hey its all in good fun but it is all about the shot placement, and in my experience loading handguns to the teeth when they are over .40 caliber doesnt make hitting with precision any easier. The last two mule deer I killed with revolvers fell to 44 cal 255gr Keiths at 1050fps, both bullets blew right through the deer of course and dropped as fast or faster than any deer I have ever shot with a rifle in any caliber.
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Post by bula on May 22, 2020 12:09:08 GMT -5
Sixshot, deer here, mature bucks over 200 lbs field dressed, but no chore for a 480. The issue is to get to a one bullet for everything load. Hence the order from you and more playing. It's all fun and enjoy and respect others info and opinions. Hawk has bullets that cover a lot of needs, but semi-custom priced. The 370gr ACME's recently delivered by my long suffering mail person, were to be ,476" Like the Missourri's and your 395gr HP's, but truly, fall thru the cylinders as if a bit smaller. They will be put aside for the Alaskan only.
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Post by bula on May 22, 2020 12:20:30 GMT -5
Funny, now that I think about it, my frog smakin' load of the Missourri 340 PC bullet and 8 or 8.2grs of Trail Boss will likely fall outta the other side of most things I might need to ventilate. It goes 850-ish outta the snub-ish Alaskan. Yet, seems, memory of quite graphic murderilized grounds squirrels by heavy loaded 32's..LOL.
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Post by sixshot on May 22, 2020 22:27:49 GMT -5
Yup, it's true, I show no mercy on Ground Squirrels! One of my other buddies took his bull moose with the lowly 41 magnum & a 230 gr cast slug as it faced us at about 64 yds, one shot & down. The crazy thing about animals is, you never know whats going to happen once you break the shot, they can run from a good hit or fall from a bad one. No one can write a book on how to kill them with one shot....every time. So we swap stories, loads, bullets, angles, etc & the discussions continue on into the night because that's hunting & it won't change. You can have one run from a 500L & drop one with a puny 357 or even a Glock 40, go figure. One thing I will say & this is just my opinion but it seems to me that whitetails have a tendency to run more than mule deer. I can't explain that & I haven't killed nearly as many whitetails as mulies but I've killed a lot of both & that's my feeling. I have no idea why that might be except that whitetails might be "geared" higher, thoughts?
Dick
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