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Post by bula on Apr 15, 2020 21:18:40 GMT -5
I feel an inferiority complex coming on. Sigh. Nice shooting guys !
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Post by tinkerpearce on Apr 16, 2020 0:01:23 GMT -5
If that's offhand with those auto mags that's some mighty fine shooting! And if it's from a rest it's some mighty fine shooting!! Dick The shooting is awesome... I'm even more blown away he has a .357 Automag! There weren't many made, as I understand it...
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Post by sixshot on Apr 16, 2020 1:30:13 GMT -5
Tyrone, there was a time I could do that at 25 yds with your gun but I was sitting, I think he was shooting off hand. I know Bob can do it, just shove any 41 in his hand & get out of the way! Some very nice shooting gents, I'm impressed. I wouldn't be surprised if Stan doesn't have some itty bitty targets as well.
Dick
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Post by Cholla on Apr 16, 2020 6:25:13 GMT -5
I intended to duplicate his target with one of my SA .44 Specials, but did anybody else notice that load of Bullseye??? That is WAY over maximum. I even searched www.loaddata.com and nothing comes close to that load with that weight bullet. I'll probably try it with about 5.0 grs. of Bullseye instead. Cholla
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Post by bula on Apr 16, 2020 6:35:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm using less with 180-200gr FWC's. Handloader #308 in my lap. Pearce's article on standard pressure 44spec loads chart on page 53. When you run your finger down the right hand side chart to Bullseye loads it shows two charge levels, 4 and 5grs of Bullseye. They are both "astericked" and noted below to be Mr. Keith;s gallery and target loads. The issue with Pearce's +P level loadings is in the basement and will be looked for in a minute or another coffee.. OK, as expected Bullseye not a chosen powder to use when wanting more from the 44spec. Hmmnnn..
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Post by bula on Apr 16, 2020 7:03:40 GMT -5
Thinking, only hurts a little. Ignoring what is in print below the card for a moment, Just looking at the card, with Mr. Keith's writing. I can imagine the possibility of it being 6.5grs of Bullseye, Keith 44spec BULLET. As in maybe the bullet is not in a 44spec cartridge,but loaded into a 44mag hull, gun. ? Back to the basement and a Speer manual printed in 1984, with a 240 gr "SWC", not the Keith, 6grs listed to be max for the 44 magnum. While I've raided the library over the years and have read Mr Keith's books, many of you here HAVE all his books and am awaiting your thoughts.
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Post by flattopdan on Apr 16, 2020 7:16:04 GMT -5
Keith did that in the 20s or 30s so there was no 44 magnum, he was well known to push the limits loading.
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Post by bula on Apr 16, 2020 7:21:47 GMT -5
Ahhh...date, or at least the year on the other side of card. Thank You.
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Post by contender on Apr 16, 2020 8:01:36 GMT -5
Dick,,, I figured you'd rise to that one! I imagine you can still do better than a lot of folks out there. I mentioned the loading BECAUSE that's a stiff load for sure. Elmer wasn't shooting any powder puff loads AND shot that group. On many other Forums & such,, I see folks talk about small groups,, and accuracy,, until you realize they are close to the target and are using powder puff loads. I'd like to try the challenge, and I may just take a short bbled .44 Mag. and work up a stiff load & see what kinds of groups I get. But I still do not think I will go THAT far. Interesting,,,,, as I mentioned.
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Post by seancass on Apr 16, 2020 8:39:53 GMT -5
Would be an interesting load to try, maybe in a Redhawk! 10% over charge on a magnum, with (what?) ~10% less case capacity? And a powder that doesn't really like being pushed... We know it didn't ka-boom in the 1930's, but it would be interesting. And no, I'm not going to try it. I don't have a Redhawk!
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Post by seancass on Apr 16, 2020 8:40:41 GMT -5
I'll try this when possible, but I might not post the results, I'll probably need a whole piece of paper...
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Post by bula on Apr 16, 2020 9:04:16 GMT -5
Limits were pushed because there were limits. A debt of gratitude owed that we can go to the store, the safe, closet and pull out the things we can now. So, my 44 specs will not be pushed that hard.
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Post by dmize on Apr 16, 2020 9:16:08 GMT -5
Would be an interesting load to try, maybe in a Redhawk! 10% over charge on a magnum, with (what?) ~10% less case capacity? And a powder that doesn't really like being pushed... We know it didn't ka-boom in the 1930's, but it would be interesting. And no, I'm not going to try it. I don't have a Redhawk! I have a Super Redhawk and there is no way in hell I would try it. Bullseye has killed more guns than Hillary has people.
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Post by buttebob on Apr 16, 2020 9:51:32 GMT -5
I have a couple of targets like that one. One was shot with my EMF Hartford 4" .45 Colt at 7 yards. Six shots one hole. I don't remember the load, I think it was Greendot. However, I didn't shoot it, Bob Munden did. I took it out the same day and shot it at 10 or 15 yards and I fired six shots into six holes. The other was shot at about 25 yards bracing my right hand against an upright post. The target was a 1" square target dot with the black border, that left about an 1/2" white center. I was shooting a Colt Officers Model Target in 22LR. Six shots in one hole in the white portion of the target. Best shooting I've ever done. I bought the gun, but sold it several years later. Loved that gun, but can"t afford one know. Shot another one hole group with an old model Super Blackhawk at about 10 yards resting over a well house. Bought that gun too, but have never been able to equal that group since. Still have that gun.
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Post by Stump Buster on Apr 16, 2020 12:18:56 GMT -5
[/quote]Bullseye has killed more guns than Hillary has people. [/quote]
You sure about that data?
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