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Post by whitworth on Dec 22, 2018 8:52:17 GMT -5
He was referencing hardcast bullets. You won’t overtax a Punch bullet or a monometal solid like a Lehigh or CEB. Nor will you overtax an A-frame or XPB. You can easily push a hardcast bullet too hard and this is where failure occurs.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Dec 22, 2018 18:08:24 GMT -5
I would agree that in referring to general bullet construction be it cast or conventional cup and core design,.....more velocity is not necessarily a good thing when it comes to penetration.
However we live in interesting times, regarding handguns. I agree with Whitworth that monometal solids are not going to fail to perform as designed, I’m actually interested in trying some new A Frames after speaking with the owner about his .510 diameters. As it allows me to use a lighter bullet and still get adequate penetration and some expansion, those 530gr LFN’s are not really fun to shoot in a 500max.
That’s my .2 cents,......Everyone have a Merry Christmas
Trapr
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Post by wildcatter on Dec 22, 2018 19:18:04 GMT -5
This is exactly why I said I would never consider it a best load, using a wrong bullet is wrong regardless of barrel length! I also agree that the punch bullet in some instances is not the best, some game if I were going to tailor a load for like say Elk, I would call for a A-Frame over Punch, but that Water Buffalo I certainly woulds use a Punch over the A-Frame. The point I tried to make is to the question of what is the best barrel length, I would never consider 50 or 75 fps difference in a more desirable barrel length anything to make the difference which I chose.
Either would work in either barrel length, and for hunting with a handgun I generally prefer the shorter barrel for the same reasons you stated. It's just a much better handling weapon in my opinion, but some maybe the more recoil sensitive would be better suited with the 7.5" or 8" with the same loads.
I wasn't referring to changing the bullet because I went 2 or 3" shorter from 8" to 5", or any length in between, to change the fact that the same load will still work with no noticeable difference in performance. I don't think you would have noticed that Water Buffalo die any quicker had used a 7.5" barrel with that same load.
But it is quite obvious it could have had a very negative affect with either barrel length, if you change to a 50 grain lighter cast HP to pickup any lost speed, I would think that would be a given failure looking to happen in anyone's book!
But hey that lead HP would be be one of my first choices if I was going for wit tail, as well as slowing it down and going with a lighter bullet. But if I did that again, choosing a perfect barrel length rather 5" or 8", for me would not have any influence on using that same load to do what I chose it for. I would never concider the best bullet for what I wanted would change because I picked a 2 or 3" different barrel length.
And a Healthy New Year!
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Post by bigbrowndog on Dec 22, 2018 22:05:46 GMT -5
Barrel length for me on a holster gun is 5-6”, if it’s going to be scoped and wornin a chest rig then 7.5” to 10” is fine.
One of the neatest little scoped guns ive seen is owned by Bradshaw I believe,it’s a short 4 5/8” but it seems very accurate.
Trapr
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Post by tradmark on Dec 22, 2018 23:53:08 GMT -5
This is exactly why I said I would never consider it a best load, using a wrong bullet is wrong regardless of barrel length! I also agree that the punch bullet in some instances is not the best, some game if I were going to tailor a load for like say Elk, I would call for a A-Frame over Punch, but that Water Buffalo I certainly woulds use a Punch over the A-Frame. The point I tried to make is to the question of what is the best barrel length, I would never consider 50 or 75 fps difference in a more desirable barrel length anything to make the difference which I chose. Either would work in either barrel length, and for hunting with a handgun I generally prefer the shorter barrel for the same reasons you stated. It's just a much better handling weapon in my opinion, but some maybe the more recoil sensitive would be better suited with the 7.5" or 8" with the same loads. I wasn't referring to changing the bullet because I went 2 or 3" shorter from 8" to 5", or any length in between, to change the fact that the same load will still work with no noticeable difference in performance. I don't think you would have noticed that Water Buffalo die any quicker had used a 7.5" barrel with that same load. But it is quite obvious it could have had a very negative affect with either barrel length, if you change to a 50 grain lighter cast HP to pickup any lost speed, I would think that would be a given failure looking to happen in anyone's book! But hey that lead HP would be be one of my first choices if I was going for wit tail, as well as slowing it down and going with a lighter bullet. But if I did that again, choosing a perfect barrel length rather 5" or 8", for me would not have any influence on using that same load to do what I chose it for. I would never concider the best bullet for what I wanted would change because I picked a 2 or 3" different barrel length. And a Healthy New Year! I think its when you get the additive effect at times. For the punch and other monometal style solids there isnt a wrong velocity. A good example of what im talking about is when i go from a 7.5” fa 454 to a ruger toklat srh. Bw the two i lose over 150 fps amd some loads close to 200 fps. I just go to a solid quicker in the toklat or shoot a smaller aframe To the same velocity. That said, i would keep using the aframe up to waterbuffalo. Those bullets impress me so much and the 325gr 50 cal has surprised me how well it works on the big stuff. Though the punch or its monometal siblings are never a bad choice in a 50 cal |
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Post by wildcatter on Dec 23, 2018 2:01:26 GMT -5
I can see that much loss between the shorter Ruger and the much tighter FA, now we are bringing in a lot more differences into the subject than the same gun with a 2" or 2.5" shorter barrel. My 454 Super Redhawk had over .454" throats from the factory and sloppy .006" barrel gap, I have never had a FA run .003 for a barrel cylinder gap, and chambers have always been right at .452" In my 454's,
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Post by wildcatter on Dec 23, 2018 2:11:29 GMT -5
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