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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 24, 2009 12:17:19 GMT -5
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Madbo
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Post by Madbo on Oct 24, 2009 14:11:07 GMT -5
HI AX,
IT'S MY OPINION YOUR GUN IS ORIGINAL. IT LOOKS RIGHT TO ME.
YOU GOTTA REMEMBER THESE WHERE PRODUCTION GUNS AND WEREN'T BEING BUILT FOR "COLLECTABLES".
PRODUCT HAD TO GO OUT THE DOOR FOR RUGER FIREARMS TO BE SOLD AT AN ECONOMICAL PRICE.
THE LETTERING BEING BUFFED OFF IN THAT AREA I HAVE SEEN MANY MANY TIMES. PINHOLES ,PITS, ROUGH MACHINING, OVER POLISHING, CASTING FLAWS, POOR FITTING, SEEN'EM ALL. THE PLUM COLORING MOST OF US LOVE IS A DEFECT AND A FLAW.
RUGER PRODUCED A PRODUCT AT A LOW PRICE TRYING TO COMPETE WITH THE REST OF THE BIG GUN COMPANIES AND TRYING TO SURVIVE.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE BRASS FRAME OLD MODEL SUPER YOU HAVE WAS MADE JUST BEFORE THE CHANGE OVER TO THE NEW MODEL.
OLD MODEL PARTS WERE BEING USED UP IN ANTICIPATION OF THE CHANGE OVER. BRASS FRAMES NEEDED TO GO SO THEY WERE FITTED TO GUNS. IF THE MAIN FRAME NEEDED MATCH THE THE GRIPFRAME I BELIEVE THEY POLISHED IT TO MATCH, HENCE SOME OF THE LETTERING REMOVED.
GEEZ, THAT GUN LOOKS CORRECT TO ME.
YOU HAVE A GREAT OLD GUN THERE AXLE REFINISHED OR NOT.
MB
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Aggie01
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Post by Aggie01 on Oct 24, 2009 14:16:03 GMT -5
IIRC, our good friend Carl once said that the quick way to tell was whether the recoil shield around the firing pin bushing was blued or in the white. Apparently these were finished post bluing at Ruger. Sorry if I'm misquoting you, Carl.
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 24, 2009 14:50:29 GMT -5
Now we have a good dialogue going on! The point here is to elevate our general awareness of what to look for..... Posted the same stuff on the Ruger Forum... Got some excellent words there too! Carl pointed out stuff like the corners of the rear sight being rounded, the base pin not matching the rest of the polish and more.... Also understand that there are artists out there who can provide literally undectable refinish jobs...  |
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klhill
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Post by klhill on Oct 24, 2009 15:04:10 GMT -5
I believe that you are correct that it has been (nicely) refinished.The dished screw holes and polished over pits on the frt of the frame are clues.I have seen original finish OM Rugers that at first appeared to have been reblued.I think it was old/worn dies and/or lightly stamped markings that made it look like a polish & reblue.The recoil plate should tell for sure.It also looks like a higher polish than the factory would have done.
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 24, 2009 15:04:53 GMT -5
Carl had a new observation..... I can't believe that this aspect got past us... The chambers are NOT recessed... FWIW there is some pulling of those screw holes...
This is a late production OM SBH. We see the recessed chamber cylinders on the early NM SBHs.. Have we ever seen an original cylinder on an OM SBH without recessed chambers?
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Madbo
.30 Stingray
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Post by Madbo on Oct 24, 2009 15:43:06 GMT -5
WENT TO THE RUGER FORUM AND READ THE RESPONSES.
CYLINDER SHOULD HAVE RECESSED CHAMBERS.
CARL'S THE MAN!
MB
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carl
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Post by carl on Oct 24, 2009 16:14:24 GMT -5
This is a late production OM SBH. We see the recessed chamber cylinders on the early NM SBHs.. Have we ever seen an original cylinder on an OM SBH without recessed chambers? No Sir, we've not!  Carl PS Ruger would blue the barrel/receiver then fit the cylinder. A "broach cut" would be done to true the breech face. The vast majority of the time this cut is plainly visible....  PPS Da' toe do show! ;D whereas the reblued gun will have a blued breech.....  This observation is not an unflappable rule, however, but JMHO. |
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Madbo
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Post by Madbo on Oct 24, 2009 16:20:14 GMT -5
DO I NEED TO CHANGE MY ASSESSMENT?  STARTING TO APPEAR SO EHH. THANKS FOR THE RUGER LESSON CARL. THIS IS A GOOD POST AX. MB |
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 24, 2009 17:38:41 GMT -5
Good stuff that all us guys that trade in Rugers need to know... Now... Dag nab it Carl... You clear the water for us and then immediately muck it up...  With a picture even! Here is another picture of the Brass SBH... How about them apples? ;D  |
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Post by Mark Terry on Oct 24, 2009 21:41:44 GMT -5
This is all great information and a great mystery. The polish and finish on this one look much better than I've seen before. If it's original, it's been well cared for.
So, Axe's last picture would seem to indicate it's factory, right? How do we explain the non-recessed chambers?
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carl
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Post by carl on Oct 25, 2009 6:54:18 GMT -5
So, Axe's last picture would seem to indicate it's factory, right? How do we explain the non-recessed chambers? Yes, the breech face sure does look "right". Cylinder swapping is as old as are cylinders........ One more hidden clue may exist. Ruger "usually" stamps the conversion kit guns with the letter "R", beneath the grip frame on the lower flat of the receiver. If the gun was returned to Ruger for refinishing and the conversion kit then, perhaps, Ruger fitted the "New Model" cylinder after a "overpolished" refinish job...... JMHO, Carl |
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 25, 2009 7:19:01 GMT -5
I was thinking that might be the next thing to do.... In addition to looking for a mark on the cylinder frame there is also the blue or nonblue on the bottom of the cylinder frame to look for... How does that go? The brassies should not be completely blued since the grip frame was installed on the cylinder frame when it was blued? Stay tuned for more pics... |
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Post by AxeHandle on Oct 25, 2009 8:03:05 GMT -5
Okay... here are a couple more shots... Don't see a "r" anywhere and the bottom is completely blued..   |
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Post by kings6 on Oct 25, 2009 10:25:14 GMT -5
Hey Axe, you know I'll buy it back if you want at any time my friend. Seriously, this is a great thread to help us get educated in the subtleties of refinished guns. When Axehadle received the gun and asked about it being refinished I tld him I had no idea if the gun was refinished and offered to swap guns back but he was kind enough to go ahead with the transaction anyway. While it appears that there is a variety of evidence both ways on the gun, it is good to learn some of the finer points that true Ruger collectores look for. AS for me, that is why I'll stay a Ruger converter rather than a collector. |
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With a picture even! Here is another picture of the Brass SBH... How about them apples? ;D