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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 11, 2016 17:23:52 GMT -5
Very interesting and complementing build. IMO Elmer would be intrigued. Are you adding metal and extending the top strap back then dovetailing the RSB? Is it just me or the picture angle, but out of all your #5's above it appears the TLA kept it's grip frame shape closest to an original Colt Bisley? The top strap on The One will be extended back over the hammer well. It will be kept a Flattop and a 3 leaf rear will be dovetailed in. That TLA you are looking at is one my brother built me a set of longer stocks for. At the time I was shooting some pretty stout loads in the thing and the additional purchase really helped. The actual metal frame is the same as any other TLA. |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 11, 2016 17:30:50 GMT -5
Fermin, as I mentioned on the phone, the revolvers are stunning. What a fine collection of steel. I look forward to seeing the finished product. I have to extend a special thanks to Huey, as he is one of the guys who has helped me plug the gaps as far as the actual chronology of these custom sixguns unfolded. Huey sent me a copy of a Keith article from the May 1939 American Rifleman titled "Long-Range Sixgun". In it, Keith states, "Colt S.A. guns require considerable remodeling before they are best suited to long range work. Triggers should be widened, target sights fitted, hammer spurs changed to Bisley type and considerably lightened, and the action speeded up or fitted with short action. Note that this is TEN years after the No5 came about. So, had Kings closed up their doors before the No5 was built? When King's became Rickey Sight works the Rickey gunsmiths did do the King style short actions guns. So what happened? There is a lot of knowledge on this forum...... |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 11, 2016 17:33:04 GMT -5
Mike, feel free to post better pics if you would. |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 11, 2016 17:46:53 GMT -5
Here is a bit more mystery. In Keith's "Sixguns" on page 221 Keith states, "We have a couple of single actions with the King Short action, wide Bisley-type hammer spur set lower than the conventional hammer spur and a wide, well curved trigger. They are a pleasure to use and in are the single actions I prefer to use in demonstrations of quick draw work as their actions are so short, smooth and fast, as well as easy cocking. I can get best speed with them." Really? A couple of KSA guns? My fellow history buff buddy Mike Barranti pointed out the following to me. Here is a picture of Keiths 45 Colt with a barrel band.  Pretty obviously a King job, but now look at the base of the hammer..  That very much looks like the hammer has been welded up at the base to limit travel. Barranti, Taffin, and I agree this was probably a KSA. Still, I ask, why wasn't the KSA incorporated into the No5?  |
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Post by mike454 on Nov 11, 2016 17:53:19 GMT -5
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 11, 2016 18:22:40 GMT -5
I think Barranti took this picture. Here I am with Mike Hutyra (who is guarding the door lest I escape and abscond with one of his many treasures) admiring one of his fine Colt New Service Target revolvers. One day I will have one of my own. Mike, who I'm quite sure would be happy to shoot me in the back, is probably the person who knows the most about King Gun Works. A trusted and valued friend and a wonderful resource.  |
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Post by paulg on Nov 11, 2016 19:39:09 GMT -5
Outstanding!!
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Post by bushog on Nov 11, 2016 20:45:52 GMT -5
Go Fermin go! I sold all my King Colt Officer's model conversions, a S&W conversion too. Hatin it. AAAhhh yes King short actions....  |
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Post by COR on Nov 12, 2016 7:52:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain the King company was in business from 1913 thru 1955. Right at the eve of the 2nd Generations, and Colt learned nothing from the King Co ... still haven't .
Never an example of a "Rickey short action job" so my guess is they just stuck with the easy stuff.
Not much gets me excited about new guns but this build is a type of legacy gun that represents a historical perspective in fine sixguns which needs discussed. I've been fortunate to handle more King guns in the last 10 years than I'd ever been able to dream of previously and what they represent to me is a unique understanding of firearm grace and function that came from the minds of men that understood their weapons and knew how to use them. Fermin is a renaissance man, and I'm more excited for him than I have ever been for a gun of my own. Not to mention he is doing some of the work himself...Pay attention to this one.
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Post by BigBore44 on Nov 12, 2016 8:05:33 GMT -5
Most Excellent!!! This should be better than apple pie & ice cream  Thanks for taking us along for the ride, Fermin... Ray |
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Post by Rimfire69 on Nov 12, 2016 8:35:35 GMT -5
Will be watching very, very closely. This is fantastic stuff, and great pictures.
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 12, 2016 12:38:27 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain the King company was in business from 1913 thru 1955. Right at the eve of the 2nd Generations, and Colt learned nothing from the King Co ... still haven't . Never an example of a "Rickey short action job" so my guess is they just stuck with the easy stuff. Not much gets me excited about new guns but this build is a type of legacy gun that represents a historical perspective in fine sixguns which needs discussed. I've been fortunate to handle more King guns in the last 10 years than I'd ever been able to dream of previously and what they represent to me is a unique understanding of firearm grace and function that came from the minds of men that understood their weapons and knew how to use them. Fermin is a renaissance man, and I'm more excited for him than I have ever been for a gun of my own. Not to mention he is doing some of the work himself...Pay attention to this one. Curt is understating his excitement here. When I asked him what he thought about this project he had quite a reaction. I thought he was going to wet his pants! |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 12, 2016 12:43:10 GMT -5
Here is some more photo essay. Bear with me. Photobucket blows.... Ok, getting ready to weld the cross pin hole. To put it mildly, Ray is a genius. Note the TAPERED plug he made to fit the hole. Really focused on minimizing the amount of heat he puts on the frame.  |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 12, 2016 12:55:35 GMT -5
Here is the plug tacked in.  |
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Post by 2 Dogs on Nov 12, 2016 12:56:57 GMT -5
Ray welded a donut so to speak....  |
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