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Post by toroflow on Jul 26, 2016 15:55:54 GMT -5
Timber carbine will handle nearly 10,000 cup more than the Marlin. That aluminum bolt always gives me pause. Aluminum bolt.... Marlin or Winchester? Aluminum bolt = Marlin
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Post by cmh on Jul 26, 2016 15:59:06 GMT -5
Thank you
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Post by BigBore44 on Jul 26, 2016 16:43:27 GMT -5
Aluminum bolt.... Marlin or Winchester? Aluminum bolt = Marlin FALSE! Marlin Bolts are NOT ALUMINUM!!?? Not sure where that came from? Shiny: Yes Silver looking: (on 336's & 1895's) Yes Aluminum: DEFINATELY NOT! BigBore44
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Post by singleaction on Jul 27, 2016 0:49:35 GMT -5
Brian Pierce wrote an article in the newest volume of Rifle Magazine (#288 Sept 2016) lamenting the fact that Marlin uses a 1-38" twist in their 44 mag Model 94 barrels. Accuracy testing was not very impressive with heavy bullets. A custom Shillen 1-16" twist barrel gave very impressive results with all bullet weights. The custom barrel was an inch and a half shorter and velocities were only 15-30 fps slower. Based on these results I'd steer away from a factory barreled Marlin 94 in 44 mag. However, the Marlin 94 in 45 Colt does not share this problem. I have two 24" 44 Mag 1894 Cowboy's, and had an 1894P 44 Mag (16" ported bbl) and they are All very accurate. Granted these all have Ballard rifling but, I also had an older 1894 with micro-groove rifling that wad every bit as accurate. As with ANY gun you Must find the bullet/load combo it likes or your just fooling yourself. Its even more imporyant with cast bullets. The Most important thing i have found is to go about .002-.003 oversized (I shoot .433/.434), and you will have a shooter in your hands. Now with PC you might just find your outshootin some bolt gun fans. It adds another level to the field... My 1895 45-70 Marlins are about the most accurate rifles i have seen with very little fussing/work. They will just stack bullet on top of bullet like they are guided missles. Just Steer Clear of the new Remlins! These are a crapshoot in every way imaginable!!! Too bad they (Remington) run the good workin mans brand rifle (Marlin) into the ground, AND, originals through the roof! BigBore44 I think you may be missing Brian Pierce's point. That being that the slow twist of Marlin 94s in 44mag does not stabilize heavy bullets very well. Sure, you can get them to shoot some bullets well, but if you want to shoot the heavies you might or will likely have poor accuracy. NEF handy rifles in 44mag have the same issue.
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Post by chris623 on Jul 27, 2016 8:44:44 GMT -5
Yeah, you want to stay away from those 1895 Marlins in .45-70. Just not accurate at all.
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Post by Thunderjet on Jul 27, 2016 9:32:04 GMT -5
Brian Pierce wrote an article in the newest volume of Rifle Magazine (#288 Sept 2016) lamenting the fact that Marlin uses a 1-38" twist in their 44 mag Model 94 barrels. Accuracy testing was not very impressive with heavy bullets. A custom Shillen 1-16" twist barrel gave very impressive results with all bullet weights. The custom barrel was an inch and a half shorter and velocities were only 15-30 fps slower. Based on these results I'd steer away from a factory barreled Marlin 94 in 44 mag. However, the Marlin 94 in 45 Colt does not share this problem. I read that article as well, very interesting. Wonder why the 45 Colt shoots so well with the same rate of twist.
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Post by singleaction on Jul 28, 2016 1:57:33 GMT -5
I was mistakenly under the impression that Marlin 94 45 Colt barrels have a faster twist. It appears they do not. I would imagine that they should shoot well with up to about 300 grain weight bullets at +P velocities. The original 45-90 W.CF. was designed with such a slow twist and similar velocities in mind, albeit with .458" bullets. The sectional density for a .452" bullet is not quite as high as for a .430" diameter bullet. A 300gr 45 cal bullet has the same SD as 272 gr 44 cal bullet. Not a lot of difference, but just enough to make a little difference, I guess.
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