jwp475
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Post by jwp475 on Jun 22, 2016 5:25:44 GMT -5
I would like to have a Rossi M-92 in 454 with 16" barrel. This combo would be much lighter and more handy than 45-70. I would load the 360 grain WFN hard cast to 1400 FPS faster is certainly possible but much more speed would be above the limits of a hard cast allowing heavy bone to badly degrade the nose of the bullet resulting in decreased pentration.
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jfo4
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Post by jfo4 on Jun 22, 2016 23:59:44 GMT -5
Michael,
Whats the time line on the production of this new guide gun?
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Post by mbaneacp on Jul 3, 2016 13:22:00 GMT -5
Carlos had 3 completed versions at NRA. I'll drop him an email next week and see where the order process stands…
mb
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Post by singleaction on Jul 3, 2016 15:51:56 GMT -5
There is a Win 94 Timber Carbine in 450 Marlin for sale over on accurate reloading dot com in their classified section. I would go for a pre-Rem Marlin 1895 guide gun in 45-70 though.
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Post by toroflow on Jul 3, 2016 18:11:50 GMT -5
There is a Win 94 Timber Carbine in 450 Marlin for sale over on accurate reloading dot com in their classified section. I would go for a pre-Rem Marlin 1895 guide gun in 45-70 though. Timber carbine will handle nearly 10,000 cup more than the Marlin. That aluminum bolt always gives me pause.
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0369
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Post by 0369 on Jul 3, 2016 20:40:25 GMT -5
I looked at both the Marlin and Henry and ended up with the Marlin. I also have a Rossi in 45 Colt and it shoots very well, especially for the price. A bit more money, but other than using a scope, a 1886 would be another choice if you're not going to use a scope and it's stronger also.
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Post by minuteman on Jul 4, 2016 8:10:09 GMT -5
Can't speak for the Henry or the Marlin, but I'll share my experience with the Braztech Rossi M92 in 45 Colt.
First thing to be said is that I bought it used at a great price. Maybe that should have been a warning. Anyway, upon first stripping and cleaning it had a bent ejector and very rough surfaces all the way around. I managed to salvage the ejector and spent hours smoothing all the internals with oil over 600 grit, then polishing.
The first trip to the range exposed other problems. The ejector was slinging cases 25' and was putting a notch and burr on the rim so bad I had to file it off or it would cut your finger. Fired less than 10 rounds. Off to the hardware store I went for a lighter spring and another couple hours smoothing and reshaping the jagged extractor latch. While I was at it, I cut 3 wraps off the ridiculous mainspring.
Second trip to the range was much better. Action was smooth, no more burred cases and the ejected rounds fell at my feet. Another problem crept up though. After the barrel heated up from 10 rounds or so, I started getting fliers all over the place. Back to the bench I went. Cleaned and slowly pushed a jag through the barrel and noticed a slick spot right at the barrel band. Took the screw out and as soon as the last thread loosed, "pink" and the hole shifter way out. No way I could get it back in. Removed the band and realized it was sort of out of round and the band to wood fit was horrible. I slowly and carefully worked the band true in a vise and worked the forearm stock down until the band just slipped over and the band screw snugged up nicely.
Third trip to the range and the fliers went away. I suppose the barrel was heating up and bending at the band from all the pressure. But, yet another problem crept up. Misc rounds wouldn't fire due to light primer strikes. Back to the bench. Ended up being the bolt mounted safety. It was burred up and seemed to inhibit the firing pin from time to time. I removed it and tapered a small oak dowel in it's place. No more fail to fires.
From then on, it has been a great shooter with a smooth action. Light, well balanced, snappy and accurate. It'll hit golden apples out to 50yds (If I do my part) and 7" balloons out to 100yds. In hind sight, I could have paid top dollar for a great shooter, but I opted to go cheap and spent the difference in my own time and headaches. Now I realize where there's a guy online who specializes in "slicking up" the Rossi and selling parts to make up for its shortcomings. One final note, the chamber leaves a distinct buldge in the brass on one side. This forces me to full length size the brass after every use or it won't rechamber centered and won't chamber in a revolver at all.
That said, others have never had these problems and have loved their Rossi's from the start.
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Post by Encore64 on Jul 4, 2016 8:18:35 GMT -5
I've always been a huge fan of the Marlin guns. But, recently bought one of the new Henry Steel rifles and find it on par with Marlin quality.
The first one was chambered in 45 Colt. I liked it so much I decided to add a second in the newly chambered 41 Magnum.
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Post by Quick Draw McGraw on Jul 18, 2016 23:02:04 GMT -5
I gotta thank you guys for all of the insight. I really want to go Henry, but the Marlin I'm looking at holds 2 more rounds in the tube and is a faster reload. Course, if I have had some spare rounds on the buttstock, I imagine that loading in spares after the initial 5 (4+1 in the chamber) one-by-one would be okay. How often would you need more than 5 shots?
And if all else failed, my BFR in .500 JRH would be packed on my hip as back up.
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Post by Thunderjet on Jul 22, 2016 10:17:08 GMT -5
I owned two or three Marlins purchased in the early 2000 time frame and they were absolute junk. This was many years before Remington took over. I currently own 3 Henrys, 1 in 45-70, 22 mag, and 22 LR. All are good rifles with no issues with any of them. The current crop of Remington built 45-70's look pretty good.
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cmh
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Post by cmh on Jul 24, 2016 21:24:34 GMT -5
I'd look at a Winchester Bigbore 94 "Timber carbine" in .444 Marlin, 18.5" ported barrel. Short and lightweight (like a Ruger 10-22) and can digest stout Buffalo Bore 444 loads. These Winchester actions are stronger than the Marlins; here is an article by Paco Kelly: www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/444_misunderstood.htmTo quote him: The loadings for the 444 in the Marlin rifle (we will look at the very strong Winchester Big Bore in this caliber later on..) are in Lee’s book pages 653 thru 656 and he keeps the loads pressures within the 40,000+ psi and cup ranges because of the Marlin action. The Winchester Big Bore action can easily go to 50,000 psi and as we will see that makes a big difference in velocity and power. The anomaly of the 444 came along when Winchester chambered their Big Bore 94 action for the round. Ammo companies and reloading books had gotten comfortable giving out 1800 to 2100 fps loads. Which were light even for the Marlin action rated at 40,000+ cup. So along come the Winchester BB action rated at 50,000 cup. And over the last few years as I have written of the much higher ballistics of the Winchester 444, I have run into the critics with all the old jargon. I have a had number of folks tell me the case head on the 444 is to large for 50,000 cup. One so called knowledgeable person actually didn’t know the big bore Winchester ‘94 was rated for much higher pressure than the Marlin 336 or the standard Winchester 94. It can be understood when we realize most gun writers don’t do much with leverguns. And believe what they read. The exceptions of course are Venterino and Taffin and a very few others. When I suggest that I can push the 250 grain Nosler at 2470 fps with 54 grains of ReL #7 for 3388 ft. lbs. of energy and well under 50,000 cup they cringe. Well imagine what they do when I tell them 52 grains of H4198 pushes the same bullet over 2600 fps and 3900 ft.lbs of muzzle energy! Or how about a 330 grain cast bullet over 55 grains of H-335 giving 2262 fps and 3750 ft.lbs. of muzzle energy. The fast twist in the Winchester Big Bore will handle it.... And another article: www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/444.htmVery interesting...... Hmmmmmmmm
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cmh
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Post by cmh on Jul 24, 2016 22:10:20 GMT -5
There is a Win 94 Timber Carbine in 450 Marlin for sale over on accurate reloading dot com in their classified section. I would go for a pre-Rem Marlin 1895 guide gun in 45-70 though. Timber carbine will handle nearly 10,000 cup more than the Marlin. That aluminum bolt always gives me pause. Aluminum bolt.... Marlin or Winchester?
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Post by mart on Jul 25, 2016 15:12:56 GMT -5
I had an older Marlin 1895 45-70 for many years. I took a couple of mule deer does and a young bull moose with it. It would serve you well. I have replaced it though with a Rossi 45 Colt loaded with 300 grain WFN bullets cast from 50/50 WW/linotype. If I have to pack meat any distance it's the rifle I grab. Light and easy to carry and 10 rounds. Makes a formidable little package.
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Post by singleaction on Jul 26, 2016 11:54:10 GMT -5
Brian Pierce wrote an article in the newest volume of Rifle Magazine (#288 Sept 2016) lamenting the fact that Marlin uses a 1-38" twist in their 44 mag Model 94 barrels. Accuracy testing was not very impressive with heavy bullets. A custom Shillen 1-16" twist barrel gave very impressive results with all bullet weights. The custom barrel was an inch and a half shorter and velocities were only 15-30 fps slower. Based on these results I'd steer away from a factory barreled Marlin 94 in 44 mag. However, the Marlin 94 in 45 Colt does not share this problem.
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Post by BigBore44 on Jul 26, 2016 14:24:13 GMT -5
Brian Pierce wrote an article in the newest volume of Rifle Magazine (#288 Sept 2016) lamenting the fact that Marlin uses a 1-38" twist in their 44 mag Model 94 barrels. Accuracy testing was not very impressive with heavy bullets. A custom Shillen 1-16" twist barrel gave very impressive results with all bullet weights. The custom barrel was an inch and a half shorter and velocities were only 15-30 fps slower. Based on these results I'd steer away from a factory barreled Marlin 94 in 44 mag. However, the Marlin 94 in 45 Colt does not share this problem. I have two 24" 44 Mag 1894 Cowboy's, and had an 1894P 44 Mag (16" ported bbl) and they are All very accurate. Granted these all have Ballard rifling but, I also had an older 1894 with micro-groove rifling that wad every bit as accurate. As with ANY gun you Must find the bullet/load combo it likes or your just fooling yourself. Its even more imporyant with cast bullets. The Most important thing i have found is to go about .002-.003 oversized (I shoot .433/.434), and you will have a shooter in your hands. Now with PC you might just find your outshootin some bolt gun fans. It adds another level to the field... My 1895 45-70 Marlins are about the most accurate rifles i have seen with very little fussing/work. They will just stack bullet on top of bullet like they are guided missles. Just Steer Clear of the new Remlins! These are a crapshoot in every way imaginable!!! Too bad they (Remington) run the good workin mans brand rifle (Marlin) into the ground, AND, originals through the roof! BigBore44
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