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Post by bushog on Jul 17, 2014 20:06:10 GMT -5
So I'm a newbie at the autos but Bradshaw has me wanting a Colt 10mm Which one do I want? New or old? If Old which one? How to tell and why? Help! Stan?
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Post by onegoodshot on Jul 17, 2014 22:16:37 GMT -5
The colts are nice, but if you plan on shooting it much, the dan wessons are hard to beat for the money.
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Post by cmillard on Jul 18, 2014 7:07:56 GMT -5
10mm is a great round. I agree--dan Wesson makes a nice 1911 for the money.
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Post by Woodrow F Call on Jul 18, 2014 8:02:52 GMT -5
I like Colt, but I'd probably opt for a S&W 1006 if I could find one.
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Post by dmize on Jul 18, 2014 14:40:11 GMT -5
Funny you should mention that bushog. I have been thinking the exact same thing. The latest issue of American Handgunner has a very good write up and comparison of sorts between a slew of 10mm's. From Delta Elites to Glocks. Also I have been told by a reliable source that the big Glocks are among the best at handling full power 10mm loads.
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Post by bushog on Jul 18, 2014 15:16:46 GMT -5
Please don't tell me that I should buy a Glock!
I'll get a 50th anniversary blackhawk in .357 and have the cylinder bored and re-barrelled for 10mm before I do that.
I'll check out the AH.
Thanks
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Post by maxcactus on Jul 18, 2014 15:19:29 GMT -5
I like EAA's larger framed CZ-97 that houses both .45 ACP and 10 mm. I've handled them but never had a chance to shoot one. Very well fit and finished.
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Post by Otony on Jul 18, 2014 16:56:42 GMT -5
I have two 10mms currently, first is a longslide Para-USA with 6" barrel & slide (it shoots like a laser, and handles ANYTHING with aplomb).
Second is a Rock Island Tactical (ugh) Commander. Have yet to wring it out, but I am a bit concerned with the concept of a shortened 1911 in 10mm. I frankly think the best vehicle for the round is a longslide 1911 or a Smith 1006. There is a whole lot going on in a semi when hot 10s go off!
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Post by mcquade on Jul 18, 2014 18:22:31 GMT -5
Back in the early 90's I cracked a slide on a DE with factory ammo. I swore off the 10mm in 1911's and switched to the S&W 10XX series which are tough as hell. Last year I purchased one of the Para LS Elite 10mm's for testing and I am rethinking the 10mm 1911 platform. I've fired over 4,000 rounds of Underwood 10mm through the Para with no hiccups and with excellent accuracy. I think Colt did beef up the slide around the ejection port but it still uses a non supported barrel so full power 10mm is out of the question for any length of time.
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Post by bushog on Jul 18, 2014 20:01:49 GMT -5
Ya' know...I've seen the Para guns..the Para Elite LS Hunter looks sorta interesting.
Anybody else shoot those Para guns?
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Post by cmillard on Jul 18, 2014 22:15:31 GMT -5
I had a p-18 in 9mm. shot great. wish I still had it
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Post by magman on Jul 19, 2014 3:15:03 GMT -5
I am really liking this alot.
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Post by bushog on Jul 19, 2014 8:35:45 GMT -5
You folks shooting 10mm cast bullets? What weight/design?
I just picked up some of Miha's moulds for 10mm.
That's not the way you're supposed to do it I guess...buy the molds and then find a gun?
What the hay?
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Post by mcquade on Jul 19, 2014 8:46:03 GMT -5
The Para loves a 220 grn lswcgc moving along at 1200 fps
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Post by bradshaw on Jul 19, 2014 11:45:03 GMT -5
bushog.... since I've had great service from my early Delta Elite, with exquisite reliability and accuracy well above average, I shall defer to others on selecting a 10mm today. Keys to longevity include never shooting it without a buffer, and avoiding high charge-weight powders. A high volume powder----longer pressure time----imparts fierce slide acceleration. Principle similar to avoidance of heavy charges of slow powder in the M1 Garand and M14 family----the longer pressure curve imparts more port pressure and more violent operating rod travel.
Having slain deer and a menu of things smaller----and livestock, but execution is not quite the same thing----it never occurred to me to pretend the 10mm Auto is a magnum revolver. Just as it makes no sense to pull manure spreader with a car.
So what is the 10mm? To start, the cartridge imparts good working velocity to as reasonably heavy bullet, and high velocity to lighter bullets, and it dwells comfortably in the slim 1911 grip. The 10mm shoots measurably flatter than the .45 ACP, which doesn't shoot flat at all. And while the Nine Mike Mike and .38 Super are flat shooters, as is the fine little .357 SIG, they don't do it with a heavy bullet.
I see no point in a short barrel 10mm Auto; sooner use an ACP for that job. The short recoil, or delayed blowback, action of John Moses Browning which revolutionized handgun development, incorporates a barrel that locks to the slide in battery. Recoil of discharging cartridge pushes the slide, which brings the barrel along with it. Almost immediately the barrel cams downward, unlocking it from the slide. Momentum carries the slide rearward. To understand the critical importance of this delayed blowback system, one should fire a compact 9mm Luger of straight (unlocked) blowback design. The recoil is nasty, as the slide violently hammers the frame,; thus, allowing the frame to hammer the shooter.
A short barrel must tilt at a radical angle to unlock from slide. This introduces other design considerations, especially as to reliability. In addition, the lighter weight (low inertia) hastens barrel/slide separation----bad scene at high pressure.
Try to shoot a few of the available 10mm's. A fine and useful round. David Bradshaw
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