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Post by bradshaw on Jul 19, 2014 12:15:35 GMT -5
Don't know the model, but Lee Martin has an S&W 10mm and is fond of it. I've shot the Glock, but wonder whether it would have made the shots my Delta has made in the woods. And I just don't like living all day with a double-wide on my hip.
David Bradshaw
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Post by Otony on Jul 19, 2014 22:02:22 GMT -5
David, I must agree with your observations of short barreled 1911s wholeheartedly. Quite frankly, I purchased that 10mm Commander for the sole purpose of rebarreling it to .357 SIG, which opens yet another can of worms (short cartridges in a 1911). If my experiments with the SIG cartridge are successful in the Commander, I rather doubt it will ever wear its 10mm tube.
Having owned a couple of 10mm Caspian frame/slide 1911s in the past, my experiences would indicate That you obviously know how to run a 5" 10mm. My goal with the 6" is to tame the slide velocity down a scosh so as to avoid premature wear or battering. Your observations re: buffers and powder volume speaks of a plethora of day to day experience. I might add, as you have done yourself in the past, that proper lubrication and constant monitoring of springs is paramount as well. Also, flat-bottomed firing pin stops, that is to say stops with an extremely small radius also aid in controlling slide velocity and attendant mayhem.
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Post by groo on Jul 20, 2014 3:54:29 GMT -5
Groo here Dave Is that why my Dan Wession Cbob is so heavt?  ? The slide feels as heavy as a 5in.. |
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Post by bradshaw on Jul 25, 2014 13:45:30 GMT -5
Otony.... for smaller bullets from the 1911 magazine, the old .38 Super makes a lot of sense. My experience with the .357 SIG is in the P229, which prints 5-shot groups of decent ammo into 6-inches at 100 yards, and with which I downed 7x10 turkeys at 165 yards at an IHMSA match in New Hampshire. The P229 has Trijicon sights and a 3.8" barrel.
Recoil of .357 SIG mild in P229. Recoil of same ammo in Glock sub-compact is rude. Strange, how recoil of Glock 27 .40 S&W is noticeable but not grouchy; put ,357 SIG barrel in G27----beaucoup rude.
Expect the 10mm Auto from 6" barrel should yield excellent results afield. Accuracy is a vital ingredient of my respect for the 10mm Auto, so the gun must have it.
Groo.... haven't held Dan Wesson 1911. Hear good things; cannot personally report. Makes sense that 10mm slide might be on the beefy side.
David Bradshaw
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Post by woody on Jul 25, 2014 19:33:06 GMT -5
Good article in American Handgunner this month about the 10mm by Mark Hampton. He shot several different guns. Very good overview of what is offered out there for 10mm guns currently.
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Post by ihmsa80x80 on Jun 1, 2016 14:12:54 GMT -5
I have one of the earliest Delta Gold Cup 10mm's and it is a very fine gun. No hiccups ever, and very accurate. It is my favorite 10mm.
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Post by jimtx on Jun 1, 2016 15:08:10 GMT -5
Funny you should mention that bushog. I have been thinking the exact same thing. The latest issue of American Handgunner has a very good write up and comparison of sorts between a slew of 10mm's. From Delta Elites to Glocks. Also I have been told by a reliable source that the big Glocks are among the best at handling full power 10mm loads. Yeah that was after 4-5 100 glock recalls!!. My buddy sent his back to Glock for recalls many times over the years the 10mm hammers those frames and small parts. I'll keep shooting my Springfield Omega 6". |
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Post by cmh on Jun 1, 2016 15:58:56 GMT -5
I havent seen a new delta worth the $$$$.... sloppy fit and finish but from what ive seen kahr arms 1911s are tighter than new colts  My daily carry gun for social work is a G40 in 10mm of course. Very accurate and will digest loads that the others wont live long doing.... they sure arent much to look at but glocks have never failed me while several others have.... |
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Post by bradshaw on Jun 1, 2016 21:03:55 GMT -5
The 10mm Auto is a sharpshooter's cartridge. Intrinsically accurate. A decent stinger. Not a whole lot more velocity than the hyperthyroid .40 S&W. Yet, at these modest pistol speeds, 100-200 feet per second makes a noticeable difference. However many legs the critter wears, medium game is apt to notice. In a FIELD PISTOL accuracy must be a given. The hardware must appreciate the intrinsic accuracy of the cartridge. My limited exposure to 10mm pistols----with my early Delta Elite a real instrument----holds my mind open to a superior example made today. Accuracy of a 10mm Auto may begin with killing a pig at 5 feet; and extend to toppling an iron pig at 100 yards. Unlike most so-called service pistols, a good 10mm likes this work.
David Bradshaw
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Post by Markbo on Jun 2, 2016 16:23:26 GMT -5
 I am really liking this alot. Magman, what is that? |
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Post by magman on Jun 2, 2016 17:23:57 GMT -5
Para Elite Hunter.
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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 3, 2016 7:57:40 GMT -5
FWIW when we talk about the 1911 platform and the 10mm cartridge we need to make note of the fact that the 10mm as currently loaded is not the original 10mm cartridge. I bought the first 10mm Colt 1911 that I came upon in the mid 80s. Bought a bunch of Norma ammo too. That stuff was warm. Can't picture any 1911 platform holding up to extensive use with that load. Sure you can spring it up and go but you are overcoming the Browning Controlled Round Feed Principle and in my old head that just isn't a good thing. That first Colt 10mm of mine went to Ed Brown with a 6 inch Barsto barrel for a complete makeover. I'd NEVER shoot that original ammo in the custom that Ed built. A buddy wanted to load some original kind of stuff for his G21. Did a little reading and told him he needed to buy a aftermarket barrel with a better supported chamber. Today? Had a Commander size DW Bobtail 10mm. Fine little gun. I'd look hard at the Glock G40 If I was looking for a hunting type 10mm. If it had the thinner slide like the G41 I'd already have one.  |
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Post by 500fksjr on Jun 4, 2016 8:56:39 GMT -5
What about the new SIG platform in 10mm?
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Post by AxeHandle on Jun 5, 2016 6:39:42 GMT -5
That SIG 10mm is a heavy chunk of steel.. One would think that SIG engineers would build something that was ready for the cartridge.
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Post by rjm52 on Jun 5, 2016 8:33:45 GMT -5
I'm fairly new to the 10mm game as in 1980 when I went 1911 I went .38 Super. As I was a .41 Magnum fan back then if the 10mm had been available in a 1911 platform I probably would have gone that way.
Since February I've ended up with four 10s... First was a Glock 40, then a RIA Combat Commander, followed by a PARA-USA Elite LS Hunter as pictured above and finally a few weeks ago a no longer made Kimber Stainless Target II.
The 1911s all have supported chamber barrels. All have been extremely accurate so far...
One crazy thing I have been thinking about doing is building a Commander size slide with Fusion parts and putting it on one of my .38 Super Commander aluminum frames... Yea I know this could be suicidal but it probably would not get shot that much... It would probably end up on a FrankinSuper I have that has a steel Colt Combat Commander frame and a Caspian slide....
It is also very sad that Freedom Group purchased PARA-USA...they have now dropped the 10mm guns and was told when I called there would be no more. It was the only long slide 10mm made in the USA under $2K. That said RIA has a 6" long slide that those who have purchased them are very very happy with....and they are only a grand.
Bob
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My daily carry gun for social work is a G40 in 10mm of course. Very accurate and will digest loads that the others wont live long doing.... they sure arent much to look at but glocks have never failed me while several others have....
