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Post by bibbyman on Sept 5, 2013 20:41:11 GMT -5
I've admitted not being active with guns in the past 20 years. Now that I'm getting interested again I read over and over about buying new guns and immediately sending them off to get tuned up. Or even replacing springs and other parts. I don't remember it being that away way back when. If you got a Smith or a Colt it was pretty darn nice right out of the box. No wonder a Python brings $2, 000 to double that.
Is this post factory tune up really necessary? Are the new guns that poorly fitted? Is it an attempt to get ever bit of edge over a factory model? Are the manufacturers afraid to make a gun with a crisp trigger pull?
And while I'm asking questions, I run across words I never seen before, like "boolet". What is a "boolet" anyway?
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Post by subsonic on Sept 5, 2013 21:17:28 GMT -5
They don't make 'em like they used to.
Boolits are the ones you cast yourself...
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Post by zac0419 on Sept 5, 2013 22:07:56 GMT -5
Remember, we take the time to write about, ask questions, discuss to no end, simple things like amazing revolvers that were developed over a century ago. I'm a certified gun dork and proud of it.
I think a large percentage of people are perfectly happy with the factory guns, we just like to tinker.
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Post by 500fksjr on Sept 6, 2013 14:24:55 GMT -5
Remember, we take the time to write about, ask questions, discuss to no end, simple things like amazing revolvers that were developed over a century ago. I'm a certified gun dork and proud of it. I think a large percentage of people are perfectly happy with the factory guns, we just like to tinker. +1 |
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Post by 45coltnut on Sept 6, 2013 14:28:49 GMT -5
I agree with bibbyman. And, I too like zac0419 like to tinker with every gun I own. But, the guns produced now a days are not at all up to par with the ones produced back in the 70-80's. I was shocked when I purchased a new Ruger Bisley and discovered the cylinder throats are undersized. Thus, I had to send it off and have them reamed. Now, while that's not a big deal you'd still think that Ruger would identify this and correct it. And from what I've read its a very common issue. Now, due to a restriction in the barrel at the frame threads I'll be firelapping the gun this weekend.
It's just sad that I can pull out my old Smith & Wesson revolvers that have never had one thing done to them and they just shoot great with awesome triggers.
With all this said, I'll reiterate that I do like to tinker with all my firearms whether long guns, pistols or revolvers. So, I do find some enjoyment in doing the things I've mentioned above in order to improve accuracy. But, some things you just shouldn't have to do on a brand new gun!
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Post by bibbyman on Sept 6, 2013 16:04:31 GMT -5
I know every manufacturer of anything is constantly trying to drive down cost and improve profits. They redesign to improve manufacturability over quality and function. The work force may not be the craftsmen they use to be and maybe they are not given time and training to do the job right. I hear so many stories about new guns delivered with major problem that should have never left the factory.
I see some companies have some kind of program where in-house craftsmen tune up actions, correct problems, and test fire new guns. This service is an added cost. Seems to me it was expected years back for the gun to shipped ready to go.
The Roger with the undersized throats you mentioned, you noticed it and they fixed the problem on your gun but what about the thousand made before and the thousand after? Automated machinery will make thousands of good parts or bad parts.
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Post by mohillbilly on Sept 7, 2013 9:48:02 GMT -5
I think that we the gun buffs , are more edumacated and with more choices .Places like this ,castboolits ,Ruger forum ,ect. bring knowledge together . I can't imagine what a new guy thinks . Used to be a guy would buy a new gun and a couple of boxes of fodder and go to it. Now a days we expect to put all kinds of strange ammo in and expect to get super duper what ever it is .I would say most gun makers , make for the masses , which will use jacketed ammo . Some guys get a new gun and change things before they even shoot it .... That's not bad per say if you know what you want, but some guys don't even know what they want , and must have the money burning a hole in their pockets . bibby man this is THE GOOD OLE DAYS and choices ,And thousands of new guns roll out at cheaper prices because of the new manufacturing processes ... old time gunsmithing can be had for a price . Not everyone is Matt Dillon but most guys either think or want to be .... I have " old guns " that shoot just fine and new ones too yet none are perfect . I wish I were good enough to hold them to their potential . Guns with undersized throats were a production problem that have been addressed and most won't notice because of jacketed bullets. Remember Ruger says Factory ammo only , so we are on our own . Some times this problem is because of process ,management thinking , the human factor ,or materials . If you don't want a fixer upper get a Fredom arms gun and enjoy . You will pay the price ,but may miss the lessons in guns and life .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 17:47:47 GMT -5
"Boolit" is a slang term from the "Cast Boolits" website for a cast bullet. It causes me great pain to even type that in. I know guys who won't go there because of the name. Seriously.
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Post by bibbyman on Sept 7, 2013 21:02:41 GMT -5
I guess I'll have another chance to break in an couple more six (5) shooters. My youngest son has bought me a pair of consecutive serial numbered Uberti Cattlemen 45 Colt, 5-1/2" barrels. Pretty nice gift, ah? Well, not purely a gift. He's taking back a Ruger Mark II and is negotiating for a S&W 25-2, 45 Colt, 4", Armaloy finished. The picture is a cell phone snap showing me he had them home from the gunshop.
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Post by Markbo on Sept 9, 2013 15:09:10 GMT -5
"Boolit" is a slang term from the "Cast Boolits" website for a cast bullet. It causes me great pain to even type that in. I know guys who won't go there because of the name. Seriously.
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noun: slang; plural noun: slangs
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a type of language that consists of words and phrases that are regarded as very informal, are more common in speech than writing, and are typically restricted to a particular context or group of people.If one were to never associate with a person or place that used slang you would have nobody to communicate with but yourself. just look how many slang terms on used on this site. For goodness sakes "guys" is a slang term! I just find the whole issue silly in the extreme.  |
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Post by whitworth on Sept 9, 2013 15:23:04 GMT -5
And more than a little bit trivial. However, the first few times I had seen the word in question written, I thought I had simply encountered semi-literacy.......  It is silly when you can simply designate a bullet as cast or jacketed and no one will misunderstand your meaning. |
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Post by bibbyman on Sept 9, 2013 15:35:31 GMT -5
When I first saw the word boolite, I figured it must be some kind of new critter, maybe a diminutive bool?
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Post by whitworth on Sept 9, 2013 18:34:47 GMT -5
When I first saw the word boolite, I figured it must be some kind of new critter, maybe a diminutive bool? Can't fault your reasoning! |
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Post by smirker on Sept 9, 2013 18:51:56 GMT -5
A boolite is a term used to describe any small caliber less than the manly .44 caliber.
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Post by bagdadjoe on Sept 10, 2013 8:17:29 GMT -5
Being from Tennessee/Kentucky...I just thought "boolits" was the way they pronounced it in Oklahoma, Kansas and Texas where they have a lot of "bools".
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It is silly when you can simply designate a bullet as cast or jacketed and no one will misunderstand your meaning. 