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Post by bagdadjoe on Apr 16, 2013 19:21:44 GMT -5
Whether domestic or imported, I don't think we've seen the last of this kind of terrorism by a long shot. For instance a letter to a senator was just determined to have had ricin in it a few minutes ago.. I just can't understand the mentality of someone who can kill indescriminately with a explosive device. Makes me very angry and frustrated. I further can't understand a president who can't seem to call a spade a spade. If two bombs go off a block from each other and a few seconds apart..it's "terrorism", yet he doesn't seem to have the stomach to call it that. Maybe they don't have a word for "terrorism" in Kenyan. Simply disgusting. I had a brother killed in front of me when I was 9 and it's haunted me all my life, those people who were there will never forget or completely heal. Whoever did it is the lowest form of scum. Period.
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Post by subsonic on Apr 16, 2013 21:49:59 GMT -5
I cannot understand a domestic terrorist. I understand the goal of terrorism, which is to basically hold the populace hostage until a demand is met.
But I can't understand how a "patriot group" would benefit from terrorism. Battles are won with hearts and minds.... and terrorism gains neither.
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Post by Mountaineer on Apr 17, 2013 4:44:40 GMT -5
I am very concerned about any offense any may have taken to this thread. It is not, as has been said, that we are not all heartbroken at the evil that was visited on Boston. It could have been anywhere. Any of us could have lost family. The thought of yet another child murdered in this country I've loved and been sworn to defend is hard to cope with.
That said, please listen to what is being said among politicians and news media. They are turning their eyes to men and women like us. That is the point I wanted to make.
This from the March 8, 2013 LA Times:
"There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal. They're not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists."
The above editorial comment was cited in this morning's Charleston (WV) Gazette editorial column in response to the Boston bombing.
And again, if any members find this discussion offensive or insensitive, I sincerely apologize.
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Post by bagdadjoe on Apr 17, 2013 7:40:14 GMT -5
"cells" of angry right wing white men...geez.
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Post by savit260 on Apr 17, 2013 8:50:18 GMT -5
I'm certainly not offended.. Maybe disapointed is a better description. I can honeslty say, when I saw the title of the thread, I expected something quite different than what I was reading.
I totally get the sentiment behind the post, and agree with it, but still was disapointed to see commentary on these disgsuting acts turned political/satirical so quickly.
Again, this happened in my work neighborhood. I guess I just expected better when I saw the title of the thread.
again, No offense is taken here. Localy here in the Boston area, it seems people have been going out of there way to NOT make this political just yet from my observations.
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Post by COR on Apr 17, 2013 9:08:16 GMT -5
It IS and WILL BE political whether we "wish it" or not. That's reality.
For the poster who mentioned "I understand the goal of terrorism, which is to basically hold the populace hostage until a demand is met. "
Terrorism is about mental anguish and "terror" not "demands"...they rely on our fears and worries to change us by doing these horrible things...while it is never "business as usual" again for these folks in Boston (or anywhere else for that matter), we as a nation must learn from this and show that we are too strong to let this cause us to bicker and react about this tragic event by turning on each other. We are better than them and better than this as HUMAN BEINGS in general. They are cunning wild dogs and should be respected and "handled" accordingly.
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Post by savit260 on Apr 17, 2013 9:32:38 GMT -5
The reality here TODAY is about taking care of each other,(many of my friends were friends of one of the girls killed) and figuring a way to move forward in the face of this evil act.
We're saving the political bullshit for another day.
Carry on.
-respectully Mike
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Post by Mountaineer on Apr 17, 2013 9:49:49 GMT -5
Mike:
May God bless all of you in Boston. Know that our hearts are with you.
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Post by savit260 on Apr 17, 2013 10:20:39 GMT -5
Thank you sir.
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Post by savit260 on Apr 19, 2013 19:36:23 GMT -5
Hoping they take this guy alive. It's been a crazy day around these parts.
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Post by savit260 on Apr 19, 2013 20:27:20 GMT -5
Got him! Hope this kid sings like a canary to help thwart future attacks.... hopefully with a good bit of waterboarding thrown in.
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Post by nolongcolt on Apr 19, 2013 20:37:02 GMT -5
AMEN to that!!
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Post by Mountaineer on Apr 20, 2013 6:30:37 GMT -5
It will be interesting to learn several facts, notwithstanding who knew, who was involved in participating in planning and financing, etc., but what types of firearms were used and how and from where they were acquired.
The 19 year old couldn't have lawfully purchased the gun(s). The 26 year old, though a resident alien, could have made the purchases. Reports are, however, that he had a domestic violence conviction in 2009 which would have been a disqualifying factor.
You can bet there's a lot of people (politcal elite and MSM, primarily) with fingers crossed, hoping these punks bought their hardware at a gun show or from a neighbor or relative.
But all that's for another day. Today we celebrate Boston! I think we should all plan our summer vacations there.
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Post by tek4260 on Apr 20, 2013 10:33:05 GMT -5
Now that it is over I'd be interested to know if there were any violations to Bostonians constitutional rights and weather they violated Posse Comitatus. Sure looked that way from where I was sitting. I'd have had a real problem being told to stay home without Marshall law being declared.
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Post by Mountaineer on Apr 20, 2013 13:00:16 GMT -5
Of course, there's a considerable distinction between the Posse Comitatus Act and a declaration of Marshall Law.
Posse Comitatus relates to the use of the US Armed Forces to enforce state law. There were Military Police units visible on site, but my presumption is that they were National Guard troops (exempt from the Act), or that they were performing perimeter security duties, traffic control, etc., rather than law enforcement.
Marshall Law relates to the imposition of military law by military authorities. Again, that doesn't seem to be the case.
It seems they issued a call to shelter in place (seemingly wise, given the circumstances), and that compliance was voluntary on the part of Bostonians. No indication that I'm aware of of anyone being arrested or detained for venturing out. That said, I wasn't there, though...
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