usajon
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Post by usajon on Aug 27, 2012 10:25:21 GMT -5
just got off the phone with my FFL dealer. it has to go b4 the roster review board state police test/hearings/public input/
long and short IF approved
January 2013 in hand
if not...payed for but can not own.
any thoughts...
I had called MRI two months ago to purchase this single action and they said then it would be a while to make one , I also asked if it was legal in Maryland, they said it was.
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Post by AxeHandle on Aug 27, 2012 11:16:59 GMT -5
The short fix would be to sell it and have your FFL ship it to the new owner.. Only other options I see are to wait it out and hope or ask MR to take it back. Sure do hate to hear that MR told you that it was legal in Maryland. That sounds like there may be a miscommunication somewhere.
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usajon
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Post by usajon on Aug 27, 2012 11:31:03 GMT -5
bought the gun from buds discount in Ky. have not made contact with them. as far as MR is conserned, I did ask a lot of questions form the actual maker of the firearm, his name was John.It was a return call as I had left a few messages..as to buy.
I like the gun..has a nice feel, and that cylinder spun like it was on ball bearings !
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Post by Thunderjet on Aug 27, 2012 11:44:32 GMT -5
Forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but what is an approved list?
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Aug 27, 2012 12:15:09 GMT -5
Our "Communist" state requires that any "regulated firearms" sold in MD must be approved by a roster board. Regulated firearms started out as meaning handguns, but has been expanded to include most military-style/black rifles. I'm aware this sound absurd to most living in free states, and it is. MD is/has/probably always will be run by the liberal democrats. Most of the state is very pro-gun, but the DC gang lives/votes in MD suburbs as well as the larger cities like Baltimore. State House and Senate are overwhelmingly democrat and anti-gun. Once in a while, we get to sneak in a Republican governor, but once he stops the hand-outs, he's gone.
Back to topic, if you can hang on, your gun will be approved. The model is already on the list, just not the caliber. The roster board is more of a formality than an obstacle. Like most gun control laws, the law only serves to delay and/or increase the cost/burden for the law-abiding citizen. I've been down this road with them before and had the Ruger Super Blackhawk Hunters in 41 and 45 added to the roster. No hassles other than time lost.
Our laws are ridiculous here. The roster board is a waste and a joke. The fired shell casing law only applies to new guns and one of my friends who works for the MD State Police says the fired cases are not even catalogued; just thrown into boxes and stored in a warehouse until needed with no organization at all. ZERO crimes have been solved as a result of a found crime scene case being matched to a fired case on file. This law took effect in 2002--ZERO.
Sorry for the rant way off topic. If you can wait, you will get it eventually. If you can't wait, take Axe's advice and sell it off.
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Aug 27, 2012 12:29:11 GMT -5
Oops, I almost forgot, you'll also need to purchase an Omega lock or VisuaLock in order to buy this gun since it does not have an "integral locking device" that MD also requires for handguns mfg after Dec 31 2003. Yeah we're one of those states too. Not very costly (about $20), but since they probably won't have any 500JRH-size locks laying around, that'll be another 2 months for them to custom make a lock you'll never use . May wanna start that process now as well. Any of you fellas in a real, freedom-loving state know of any land for sale?
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usajon
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Post by usajon on Aug 27, 2012 13:20:22 GMT -5
it did come with a cable lock in the sealed box, and good 4u getting those two calibers approved...the gun was paid with a debit card so the $$$ spent. I will sleep on it, but would like to own this single action, I have always enjoyed reloading in the winter and with this round I could be busy doing research etc..
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Aug 28, 2012 16:57:34 GMT -5
Cable lock is only part of it. All handguns of any kind transferred in MD must be transferred with a cable lock. Ones mfg after Dec 31, 2003 must ALSO either have a built in key lock (like S&W, Taurus, etc. use) or be sold with a "MD Roster Board-approved" locking device. These are typically steel rods that pass through the bore with a brass cartridge-shaped piece inserted in the chamber on one end of the rod and a big red lock that fits tight to the muzzle on the other.
Unfortunately, the cable lock satisfies the first law, but not the second. Of course, there are dealers that.......
Gotta love this state!!!
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usajon
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Post by usajon on Aug 31, 2012 19:13:43 GMT -5
Our "Communist" state requires that any "regulated firearms" sold in MD must be approved by a roster board. Regulated firearms started out as meaning handguns, but has been expanded to include most military-style/black rifles. I'm aware this sound absurd to most living in free states, and it is. MD is/has/probably always will be run by the liberal democrats. Most of the state is very pro-gun, but the DC gang lives/votes in MD suburbs as well as the larger cities like Baltimore. State House and Senate are overwhelmingly democrat and anti-gun. Once in a while, we get to sneak in a Republican governor, but once he stops the hand-outs, he's gone. Back to topic, if you can hang on, your gun will be approved. The model is already on the list, just not the caliber. The roster board is more of a formality than an obstacle. Like most gun control laws, the law only serves to delay and/or increase the cost/burden for the law-abiding citizen. I've been down this road with them before and had the Ruger Super Blackhawk Hunters in 41 and 45 added to the roster. No hassles other than time lost. Our laws are ridiculous here. The roster board is a waste and a joke. The fired shell casing law only applies to new guns and one of my friends who works for the MD State Police says the fired cases are not even catalogued; just thrown into boxes and stored in a warehouse until needed with no organization at all. ZERO crimes have been solved as a result of a found crime scene case being matched to a fired case on file. This law took effect in 2002--ZERO. Sorry for the rant way off topic. If you can wait, you will get it eventually. If you can't wait, take Axe's advice and sell it off. OK do I run the risk of losing possion of my paid for BFR if it is not approved. If it is not approved can I have my FFL dealer transfer it to another as in a sale to someone outside Maryland. ? thanks USAJon and Mary from Silver Spring, Maryland U.S.A.
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Post by buckstone on Sept 2, 2012 14:18:56 GMT -5
I'm so jealous of you guys firing .500's. That has got to be so much fun.
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Sept 2, 2012 14:28:16 GMT -5
No, you won't lose possession of it. It is your property; you just won't be able to take it home. If it's not approved, what that means is the Handgun Roster Board has determined it cannot be sold in this state. You can still list it on GunBroker, sell it out of state, and have your dealer transfer it.
That being said, it is highly unlikely that it won't be approved. The BFR is already on the list. You're just trying to add a caliber option to an already-approved handgun model. I would almost bet anything it will be approved. The mess you're dealing with is not being able to just go buy it and take it home. It's absurd, I know.
You still have the 2 options: 1. Wait and you WILL get it after this lengthy, stupid process. 2. Sell it off if you can't wait.
Depend how bad you want it.
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Post by bisleyfan41 on Sept 2, 2012 14:36:15 GMT -5
And just as an FYI, although the process may sound really intense, scrutinizing, and diligent, it really isn't. The BFR is already approved. There will be no test. No public input. (That's for totally new models that manufactureres submit).More or less just a statement by the secretary in front of the board that you have filed a petition to have a caliber added to an already-approved model. She will ask for any objections. There will be none; hasn't been one in years. The caliber will be approved. Done deal.
The board only meets every other month, though IIRC. That's the big time killer. Marlene Jenkins is the name of the lady at MSP who can answer all your questions. She accepts the applications/petitions. Very nice lady.
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Post by majorKAP on Sept 2, 2012 15:28:08 GMT -5
Sent usajon a PM days ago telling him that he could quit worrying, take my money and have his dealer ship it to me, FFL to FFL. I'm 20 minutes from Bud in Lexington, but haven't been able to snag a .500 yet.
No reply.
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usajon
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Post by usajon on Sept 2, 2012 19:15:41 GMT -5
there have been two offers from this forum on our BFR 500 JRH.
I love Maryland, is my home state, where I grew up. It has changed but every place I have traveled to in my 61 years has changed, some more then others.. it is the Free State, land of pleasant living, home of the O's, I may move one day, but only to land with acre's that I can afford.
Someone will have this approved so it will be a member form this forum. USAJon
shoot safely and straight ! be nice to the Lady's have a pet feed the birds in winter. be well.
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Post by AxeHandle on Sept 2, 2012 19:23:54 GMT -5
"The caliber will be approved." I hope so. Are we recognizing that the 500JRH is not a SAAMI spec cartridge? Do these communist state regulators approve wildcat cartridges on a regular basis?
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