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Post by AxeHandle on May 2, 2012 9:01:00 GMT -5
More bullet outside the case make room for more powder inside! Lots of mold makers out there who will make you what you want.. I learned well from my FAs that a silly few .001s can make the difference in locking up a gun and not locking up a gun..
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Post by Lee Martin on May 2, 2012 9:08:59 GMT -5
More bullet outside the case make room for more powder inside! Ya, but how's that work when there's only one crimp groove? That dictates overall length, not added cylinder. I've found when these big slugs jump, they 'really' jump. A few extra hundredths normally doesn't make a difference when you get bullet pull like that. And if they're only jumping a little, go with a heavier roll crimp. That's what I've done on my 500 Maximum with 525's. The Ruger frame has all the length I need for these heavyweights. Just a thought. -Lee www.singleactions.com"Building carpal tunnel one round at a time"
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Post by whitworth on May 2, 2012 9:57:03 GMT -5
But is there a need for more? That's the real question. You can load the 525s we are using to 1,500 fps if you are so inclined (I wouldn't recommend it for the longevity of the gun -- or the shooter for that matter), but that load is a real bear and not pleasant in the least to shoot.
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Post by AxeHandle on May 2, 2012 10:10:38 GMT -5
In a custom mold I can have the crimp groove put anywhere I want... And the ONLY crimp jump I have personally experienced was so small that I thought it was not jump but simply a bullet not seated deep enough. I could take a knife and shave a little mold ridge off the nose and it was good to go..
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Post by whitworth on May 2, 2012 10:12:22 GMT -5
Yes, but do you need more than the .500 Max can already offer??
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Post by AxeHandle on May 2, 2012 10:57:18 GMT -5
"...do you need more than the .500 Max can already offer??" Said the only man I know who owns a 50 Alaskan revolver!
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Post by dmize on May 2, 2012 11:43:22 GMT -5
"...do you need more than the .500 Max can already offer??" Said the only man I know who owns a 50 Alaskan revolver! Now THAT was funny!!!!!!
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Post by whitworth on May 2, 2012 13:11:52 GMT -5
"...do you need more than the .500 Max can already offer??" Said the only man I know who owns a 50 Alaskan revolver! Yes, but I had the Alaskan before I had the .500 Maximum and quite frankly, I rarely shoot it. It is a novelty at best -- that said, the .500 Maximum is a useful caliber.
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Post by bigbores on May 2, 2012 20:57:40 GMT -5
But is there a need for more? That's the real question. You can load the 525s we are using to 1,500 fps if you are so inclined (I wouldn't recommend it for the longevity of the gun -- or the shooter for that matter), but that load is a real bear and not pleasant in the least to shoot. Need more? No. Want More options, Yes! And in a frame close to the same size/weight of the Ruger maximum made of stainless steel that will take Bisley gripframes or a rounded hunter gripframe if so desired! Life's good my friends.
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Post by whitworth on May 2, 2012 21:07:14 GMT -5
Need more? No. Want More options, Yes! And in a frame close to the same size/weight of the Ruger maximum made of stainless steel that will take Bisley gripframes or a rounded hunter gripframe if so desired! Life's good my friends. I was merely talking about the ballistic capabilities of the .500 Maximum as a cartridge. I do think it is very cool that a new frame in Maximum length is being produced as we speak. These are certainly good times!
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Post by bigbores on May 2, 2012 21:27:19 GMT -5
I was merely talking about the ballistic capabilities of the .500 Maximum as a cartridge. I do think it is very cool that a new frame in Maximum length is being produced as we speak. These are certainly good times! So am I, this frame will stretch the performance of the 500 Maximum without a size penalty. I fill the 440gr bullets will cleanly take anything on this planet so that's what I shoot. You fill better using 525grs. giving you better penetration, sounds good and makes sense. Maybe someone will fill the need for a 550gr bullet, this frame will be better for longer bullets or more speed.
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Post by whitworth on May 2, 2012 21:56:29 GMT -5
My .50 Alaskan cleanly covers the next step up and it goes beyond any practical application. I do feel that the Maximum is the outer-limit of practical .50 Calibers. It'll go a lot hotter than I care to take it. I don't think any significant improvements are to be made by an ever so slight cylinder length difference (too small to take advantage of). JMHO -- not trying to be argumentative!
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Post by AxeHandle on May 3, 2012 6:57:58 GMT -5
"...don't think any significant improvements are to be made by an ever so slight cylinder length difference..." Said the man just before the bullet jumped crimp... I'd like insight into what drove the exact final dimensions. Like so many things I bet the specific details are lost... Just to be a fly on the wall... In the flowery corners of my DoD acquisition head I can see a detailed actual engineering anslysis of cartridge and cylinder limitations.. More likely the use of Ruger parts Hammer/triggers/grip frames etc.) would be a driving specification on the ratchet/pawl end. Beyond that perhaps as simple as one-upmanship or maybe existing design and manufacturing capability of the frame manufacturer.
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Post by dmize on May 3, 2012 7:50:19 GMT -5
Whit,if I may ask,just what brought about the 50 Alaskan BFR?
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Post by whitworth on May 3, 2012 8:05:06 GMT -5
Whit,if I may ask,just what brought about the 50 Alaskan BFR? Some brainiac who thought it was a good idea. And it's not a BFR, it's a D-Max. I only draw this distinction because it is that much lighter than its BFR cousin. This revolver (the .50 AK) is a whole 'nuther level of dumb.
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