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Post by squawberryman on Mar 29, 2012 6:00:54 GMT -5
I love threads like this. Ford! Chevy! Grant! Lee! I'm as new to this madnes as anyone here, having gone through the madnessessess of Ar's, plastic whatwevers, 800 yard "sticks" (though shooting soda cans at 500 IS fun). I think I've settled on 1911's and revolvers. John Moses Browning is one of my two heroes, Mel Blaanc being the other. I own more 44 mags than 45's, though not by choice but chance. I own a 500 JRH that was sold to me by someone that had Jack and Lou build it and never shot it (see Gallery Squawberryman's super bisley, thanks again Whitworth). I just picked up a high polish SBH because one of those evil Quinn's said I should, NOT because I want another palm smasher. Curly mesquite on a high polish frame, hmm... There's a Seville out there that I can cram in the safe, just got to agree on the price. Damnit, another 44 mag Lee. HOWEVER, a Power Custom framed Bisley 45 from Jack in the oh so sweet 45 Long Colt seems headed for my checking account. This site (and many others) are one of the things that is great about America. Good men with good knowledge sharing good information and photos about things that made America great. Anyone ever seen a gorgeous Swedish revolver? Every now and then an attitude shows up here that should have been left in the parking lot, but I thank all of you mega thousand posters that entertain and educate all of us who will NEVER be able to afford everything you ever talk about. A Loveless modified twenty two?! Holy Crap!
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Post by CraigC on Mar 29, 2012 8:48:52 GMT -5
How's that for an advantage? Over what???
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Post by whitworth on Mar 29, 2012 8:59:56 GMT -5
How's that for an advantage? Over what??? Over the .429 Magnum, I believe -- at least that is how I read his post.
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Post by AxeHandle on Mar 29, 2012 9:08:39 GMT -5
Just sit back and enjoy the ride! 17-22-24-25-26-27-28-30-32-36-38-40-41-44-45-475-50-51.. Caliber just does't matter. Life is full of naysayers. Build the gun of your dreams and party down!
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Post by Snyd on Mar 29, 2012 15:26:41 GMT -5
I didn't mean to start a caliber war. The "OMG what have I done..." is more in reference to "the abyss" as someone put it. The donor gun is the first step into it... If I'd have bought another 45 Colt there'd always be the chance of just shooting it since I already cast and load .452's. But, I have nothing for the .429 so it looks like I'm all in
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Post by kaytod on Mar 29, 2012 15:51:34 GMT -5
Once you get into the 51's, you'll realize that they do a great deal of work, with such ease, they are a pleasure to shoot.
Enjoy your descent into the abyss. It's a great ride.............You'll meet other that have gone on before.
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Post by whitworth on Mar 29, 2012 17:35:20 GMT -5
Once you get into the 51's, you'll realize that they do a great deal of work, with such ease, they are a pleasure to shoot. Enjoy your descent into the abyss. It's a great ride.............You'll meet other that have gone on before. Amen to all of that!
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Post by CraigC on Mar 29, 2012 20:42:48 GMT -5
Not a caliber war at all. I just think it's interesting how often you hear that "the .41Mag will do everything the .44Mag will only with less recoil" and then there's "the .45Colt will beat the .44Mag will less pressure". I reckon I just get tired of the .44Mag getting pee'd on, as if it's always too big or not big enough. So it seems that it's either not good enough, or it's the cartridge to beat, depending on whose drinking what Kool Aid. To me, it is a bigger hammer than the .41Mag, having the same advantage over it that the .45Colt has over the .44Mag. It enjoys a 100fps advantage over the .45Colt across all bullet weights, in spite of Linebaugh's 25yr old article. At the top, where the .44 slings a 355gr and the .45 slings a 360gr, the .44 has a sectional density and a 100fps velocity advantage. The 355gr is comparable to a 395gr .45 and it slings it 200fps faster.
But in the end, what critter will ever know the difference???
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Post by dmize on Mar 29, 2012 20:58:21 GMT -5
Don't feel bad. Years ago I saw an article in a gun mag that featured a .44mag Ruger Redhawk, that had gotten the full custom treatment by MagNaPort. Action job, ported, bead blasted finish with trigger and flutes polished, 2X Leupold scope the ultimate hunting handgun. I couldn't wait, bought a Redhawk and a scope, sent it off to MagNaPort. When it came back 6 weeks later, it was gorgeous. After admiring it for about a day or so, I said to myself, "...but you don't hunt." Ended up selling it a few months later. Lesson learned...I hope ! Sounds to me like you shoulda started hunting!!!!
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Post by whitworth on Mar 30, 2012 5:53:34 GMT -5
Don't feel bad. Years ago I saw an article in a gun mag that featured a .44mag Ruger Redhawk, that had gotten the full custom treatment by MagNaPort. Action job, ported, bead blasted finish with trigger and flutes polished, 2X Leupold scope the ultimate hunting handgun. I couldn't wait, bought a Redhawk and a scope, sent it off to MagNaPort. When it came back 6 weeks later, it was gorgeous. After admiring it for about a day or so, I said to myself, "...but you don't hunt." Ended up selling it a few months later. Lesson learned...I hope ! Sounds to me like you shoulda started hunting!!!! I was thinking the same thing, LOL! ;D
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Post by AxeHandle on Mar 30, 2012 7:23:01 GMT -5
While hunting is the usual intent for these beasts there are other recreational things you can do with them like punching paper and shooting steel. What I enjoy most is shooting steel. A nice heavy duty gong style target a few yards out can provide years of shooting enjoyment. The better you shoot the farther out you place the target. When the range is limited smaller targets work well.
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Post by whitworth on Mar 30, 2012 8:32:28 GMT -5
Not a caliber war at all. I just think it's interesting how often you hear that "the .41Mag will do everything the .44Mag will only with less recoil" and then there's "the .45Colt will beat the .44Mag will less pressure". I reckon I just get tired of the .44Mag getting pee'd on, as if it's always too big or not big enough. So it seems that it's either not good enough, or it's the cartridge to beat, depending on whose drinking what Kool Aid. To me, it is a bigger hammer than the .41Mag, having the same advantage over it that the .45Colt has over the .44Mag. It enjoys a 100fps advantage over the .45Colt across all bullet weights, in spite of Linebaugh's 25yr old article. At the top, where the .44 slings a 355gr and the .45 slings a 360gr, the .44 has a sectional density and a 100fps velocity advantage. The 355gr is comparable to a 395gr .45 and it slings it 200fps faster. But in the end, what critter will ever know the difference??? I hear ya. There's nothing wrong with the .44 mag. It has taken more than its fair share of game since its inception, no doubt. Lee and I recently performed a test, pitting the .44 against the .45 with similar weight bullets and the results were eye opening. I have always been a fan of the .45 Colt, but I REALLY like it now. Even with less sectional density, slinging the same weight bullets (300 grainers) with similar nose profiles, the .45 beat the .44 in penetration testing consistently. I would never use a bullet as heavy as 355 grains in the .44, I think it is too much of a good thing. I tested 405 grain bullets in the .44 once and was not only underwhelmed, but very disappointed with the end result. I think the .44 shines in the 300 -320 grain range. Sorry for the thread hijacking!
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Post by whitworth on Mar 30, 2012 8:35:21 GMT -5
While hunting is the usual intent for these beasts there are other recreational things you can do with them like punching paper and shooting steel. What I enjoy most is shooting steel. A nice heavy duty gong style target a few yards out can provide years of shooting enjoyment. The better you shoot the farther out you place the target. When the range is limited smaller targets work well. Plinking and punching paper with a big bore revolver is fun, no doubt, but I think, IMHO, to truly appreciate these things, you have to use 'em on game. They perform all out of proportion to their paper ballistics.
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Post by Lee Martin on Mar 30, 2012 9:24:17 GMT -5
Just to add to Whit's post. The penetration tests we did between the 44 Mag and 45 with similar weights showed the old Colt as the hands down winner (and we're talking quite a bit more penetration). And the 45 Colt was going a little slower. But hell, a 320 grain 44 slug has a higher SD than a 435 WFN 500. The 44 goes 1,350 fps, the 500 goes 1,200 fps. And we all know which one penetrates the farthest. All that said, there's nothing wrong with the 44 Magnum. It's a fine round. -Lee www.singleactions.com
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Post by akray on Mar 30, 2012 22:26:53 GMT -5
One of the reasons I got rid of my $1250.00 Bisley 500 L, was that with 435 gr bullets it wouldn't shoot through a big spruce log like my $225.00 SBH 44 did with 300 gr bullets. I also found that rounds loaded with large doses of H-110 didn't always work great when they'd been exposed to cooler temperatures, such as those found in the Fairbanks area in late September and early October. I tried to like it for a real long time, but the stupid thing beat the hell out of my hand and wrist whenever I shot it too, so it went and an FA 454 came to live at my house.
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