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Post by mellonhead on Mar 28, 2012 9:25:49 GMT -5
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Post by bigmuddy on Mar 28, 2012 10:04:39 GMT -5
I have used that load, and also re-load its equivalent. It recoils like an easy shooting 44 and is very similar to a 44 mag with velocity and bullet weight. It is a VERY effective load for white tails. That price for a premier sounds VERY good and they are tremendous guns. A Colt Anaconda is like an apples to oranges comparison in my opinion. Dan |
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Post by hammerdown77 on Mar 28, 2012 10:22:06 GMT -5
If you want to stick with 44 magnum, and are still interested in a Freedom Arms, I'd keep a lookout for a good deal on a used Model 83 in 44 magnum.
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Post by whitworth on Mar 28, 2012 10:28:15 GMT -5
If you want to stick with 44 magnum, and are still interested in a Freedom Arms, I'd keep a lookout for a good deal on a used Model 83 in 44 magnum. Another great solution! |
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Post by Thunderjet on Mar 28, 2012 11:58:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately I don't reload. I understand there is no moderately loaded ammo in 454. Your going to start reloading sooner or later so might as well bite the bullet and start buying equipment now. Depending on what you find used, you can easily finance a press, scale, case trimmer, dies, and a few accessories for $200 or so. If you want to buy new, double that. |
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Post by buck on Mar 28, 2012 12:34:06 GMT -5
Those winchester loads look interesting.
I understand you can cut lead if you shoot .45 colt in a .454 barrel which then makes it dangerous with 454 ammo.
Why is this not a problem for 44 our 357? If you stayed with hard cast would you be ok?
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Post by buck on Mar 28, 2012 12:35:42 GMT -5
Don't have room for reloading stuff.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Mar 28, 2012 13:16:30 GMT -5
Those winchester loads look interesting. I understand you can cut lead if you shoot .45 colt in a .454 barrel which then makes it dangerous with 454 ammo. Why is this not a problem for 44 our 357? If you stayed with hard cast would you be ok? Naw, barrel diameter is the same, cylinder throats are the same. Only difference is the chamber for the 454 is a little longer, because the brass is a little longer. You can shoot 45 Colt in 454, although Freedom Arms doesn't recommend it. There are countless debates on whether you should follow their advice or not. I will say this though, I shoot heavy 45 Colt loads out of my 454 Super Redhawk without issue, but then I don't feed it a steady diet of 45 Colt either, and clean the chambers very thoroughly after doing so. I believe FA's position is that shooting the 45 Colts, a high volume of them at least, will "etch" a groove in the chamber near the mouth of the 45 Colt case; then when you fire the longer Casull case in the gun, the brass will "flow" into this etched groove and prevent you from being able to extract the fired case. They say they have seen enough problem guns come back to the factory for this problem that they just go ahead and tell people they recommend not shooting 45 Colt in their 454 cylinders. Again, you'll hear very different opinions on this. |
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Post by buck on Mar 28, 2012 14:06:15 GMT -5
Well I hope you boys are happy, I bought the sucker.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Mar 28, 2012 15:07:36 GMT -5
FACILITATORS is what we are!
Let's see some pics!
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Post by whitworth on Mar 28, 2012 15:08:26 GMT -5
Well I hope you boys are happy, I bought the sucker. Which one did you buy?  ? |
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Post by buck on Mar 28, 2012 18:14:05 GMT -5
I got the .454. Note the five shot 25 yard group from the factory. Sorry the pictures aren't better, phone camera is all I have right now.   |
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Post by whitworth on Mar 28, 2012 19:02:53 GMT -5
VERY NICE, BUCK!!!!! Congratulations! Beautiful revolver you got there!
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Post by buck on Mar 29, 2012 4:48:13 GMT -5
Thanks, and appreciate all the helpful info from everybody.
That light Winchester load is what tipped me over.
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Post by paul105 on Mar 29, 2012 7:48:54 GMT -5
Buck, Here is the definitive answer regarding use of the .45 Colt in the Freedom Arms 454 cyl.. Post #20 from Bob Baker (owner of Freedom Arms) on Graybear’s forum. www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/topic,189645.msg1099239979.html#msg1099239979 Title: Re: using a 45LC in a 454 Post by: Bob Baker on January 13, 2011, 09:10:34 AM The 45 Colt is .100 shorter than the 454 Casull. When shooting the 45C in 454 chambers, lead and powder residue is left in the chamber just ahead of the case. This build up of residue can restrict chambering the longer 454 cartridge and can cause excess pressure by not allowing the crimp of the 454 to easily open up to allow the bullet to exit the case. Another potential problem is when the revolver is cooling down after firing it collects moisture. This moisture mixed with the lead and powder residue creates an acid which can etch the chamber underneath the lead and powder residue. With this condition, even if the residue is cleaned out of the chamber, the longer 454 case will now stick in the etched area of the chamber when fired and can be difficult to remove depending on the amount of etching. Over the years we have seen this problem more from guns in high humidity areas than from low humidity areas but it still occurs in the low humidity areas. For some folks this seems to be an emotional issue and some folks even claim that all we are trying to do make extra money on extra cylinders. What we are actually trying to do is help our customers get the most trouble free life from their FA revolver as possible. I know of some customers that have shot thousands of 45C rounds in their 454 chambers with no problems but they thoroughly clean the gun when finished shooting. Other customers have ended up with one of the above problems fairly quick also. All we can do is put out the information, it is up to the individual what they do with the information. ===================================================== I have an older 6" Field Grade with an aux .45 Colt cyl. This old gun maybe the most accurate revolver I've ever shot (I do have a .475 FA that may match it). Here are some target picts -- all sandbagged at 25 yds with a 4x Leupold. The center group in the first target was worked up to from the lower left group on the second target and since reverified. I'm sure this gun is even more accurate, but not with me doing the trigger work. Also note, some of the groups in the second target were shot with the 45 Colt cyl.   The gun you bought is a beauty -- enjoy it. As mentioned above, you really need to start loading your own ammo. Paul |
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