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Post by dougader on Feb 4, 2012 2:06:38 GMT -5
Hammer, USP and Fedex and postal service is riddled with thieves. Years ago the FBI caught a whole UPS semi truck load of stolen guns... I have nothing but admiration for most of the drivers. Its the distribution folks that force us to use the overnight BS. Because UPS and fed ex can't control thier internal theft. Bingo! Exactly. They can't control theft by their own employees, so they stick it to us. Mine go as parts, or gun parts, or precision machine parts... or more often an ffl friend of mine in the next town ships USPS flat rate box for me.
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Post by majorKAP on Feb 4, 2012 9:24:43 GMT -5
I figure that we all here are somewhat "gun-nuts" and have a copy of our dealers FFL and act as their agents so Fed-up and UPS isn't a concern. Just curious. What do you mean?
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Post by boxhead on Feb 4, 2012 10:39:28 GMT -5
One of the things I miss from my time living in Canada was the fact that one can ship direct via Canada Post to another, individual, gunsmith, whomever, with no dealer involved.
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Post by tek4260 on Feb 4, 2012 10:41:34 GMT -5
I mean that we are regulars at the dealers. Regular enough that the normal customers think we work there. Go to the dealers family functions and he does the same with us. Work the tables at the gun shows, and remember off the top of our heads how much they have in a trade made months before. Ect...
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Post by CraigC on Feb 4, 2012 13:03:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately the same holds true with all the tricks people use with FedEx and UPS. Federal law requires that the carrier be notified when you ship a firearm. So breaking the carrier's rules by declaring the package to be 'machined parts' IS breaking the law. [18 USC 922(e)] Actually this is not true and the ATF FAQ is misleading in this regard. You must read the actual statute, not the ATF online FAQ. If you are an individual shipping to an FFL, you are not required to notify them the package contains a firearm. However, if you do not declare its contents and you have to file an insurance claim, they will not honor it. So if you claim it is machine parts, you're gambling on it making it there without issue. No free lunches. Gary Reeder should know better.
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Post by bigbores on Feb 4, 2012 13:17:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately the same holds true with all the tricks people use with FedEx and UPS. Federal law requires that the carrier be notified when you ship a firearm. So breaking the carrier's rules by declaring the package to be 'machined parts' IS breaking the law. [18 USC 922(e)] Actually this is not true and the ATF FAQ is misleading in this regard. You must read the actual statute, not the ATF online FAQ. If you are an individual shipping to an FFL, you are not required to notify them the package contains a firearm. However, if you do not declare its contents and you have to file an insurance claim, they will not honor it. So if you claim it is machine parts, you're gambling on it making it there without issue. No free lunches. Gary Reeder should know better. Craig, You need to reread my post... Gary doesn't tell you to call them "Machined parts" he tells you to declare them as "shipping gun parts to a repair station". Here's the meat of that post. take the 5 screws out of the gripframe, ease it off, being careful not to lose the 2 small springs inside the gripframe. Put these parts in a baggie along with the gripframe and loose grips. Take the cylinder out and the housing off and base pin out and put them in a baggie. You can then put the rest of the gun in another baggie and put all these little baggies in one large baggie. If you are familiar with the gun, feel free to take it the rest of the way apart, if not then that is far enough. This way you can tell them, if they ask, that you are shipping gun parts to a repair station
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Post by Cannon on Feb 4, 2012 13:18:27 GMT -5
You're right, Craig. I based my post on the ATF FAQ. After posting it, I went back and read the cited section of law, and the requirement to notify the shipper is if the package is not going to a dealer/importer/manufacturer etc. I'm not sure what that leaves -- I suppose shipping directly to an in-state buyer. ATF's interpretation may be wrong, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't attempt to enforce it that way. I'd rather not have to prove them wrong in court.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2012 13:41:09 GMT -5
Dealers can ship via USPS to another dealer. Mere mortals cannot do this. UPS & Fedex & UPS require next day shipping because they have a lot of thieves working for them, an air freight greatly reduces the amount of time the package is their responsibility. Less time equals fewer opportunities for their thieves. I'm sure if any of them are caught, they could claim to be kleptomaniacs, and the Union would support them because they have a disability.
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Post by edk on Feb 4, 2012 18:01:45 GMT -5
If one puts only a serialized cylinder frame and nothing else in a package - no barrel, no gripframe no hammer, no cylinder, it is still a firearm by the letter of the law isn't it?
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Post by dmize on Feb 4, 2012 20:24:19 GMT -5
FIRST OFF!! I am really glad that I may have made a post that MAY help some of us out. I talked to my local gunshop owner,WE HAVE a connection,all but 2 of my guns were bought thru his shop. When I told him what happened,he said he takes guns to a local grocery store and sends them USPS for about $20. I told him I will be shipping ALL of my stuff through him from now on.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Feb 4, 2012 23:20:37 GMT -5
Heck yeah dmize, that's the way I'd go too. My FFL guy just charges me what it costs him to ship it USPS (about $20). Granted, some folks have had really bad experiences with USPS, and just will not use them. Same as people who have had bad experiences with UPS and FedEx.
You pays your money and you takes your chances.
In my opinion, the "box of gun parts for repair" is a bit sketchy. If you have a moron working the counter, or someone who just doesn't care and wishes they were at the beach, I could see getting away with that. But any half intelligent person who knows their job should then ask "Do any of the parts have the serial number on them?" At that point, you are basically going to have to lie to get around the ultimate point of that question, which is that the serialized receiver constitutes a "firearm" according to the law.
That would be my luck. I'd take my box of parts in there and the first question would be about the serial number.
Of course, I'm also the guy who gets speeding tickets for going 5 mph over the limit and has not once been let off with a warning...
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Post by ChiefTJS on Feb 4, 2012 23:27:48 GMT -5
Cubrock- You're undoubtedly right and I do sweat it every time. I've actually sworn off shipping handguns several times, but there's always "just one more". ;-)
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