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Post by Ken O'Neill on Feb 3, 2012 18:04:24 GMT -5
Your dealer is wrong.
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Post by CBH on Feb 3, 2012 18:19:40 GMT -5
FWIW I sent my SBH to the factory in New Hampshire via FedEx. Regular ground @ $16.00. They inspected the gun prior to shipping to make sure it wasn't loaded. I live in Kalifornia (unfortunately).
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Post by majorKAP on Feb 3, 2012 18:25:33 GMT -5
Scott....your dealer is incorrect, and he ought to know better. It is LEGAL for a dealer (Federal licensee) to ship handguns to other dealer's via USPS. It is ILLEGAL for regular Joe (non-licensee) to ship handguns via USPS, to anybody. A dealer ships handguns by submitting a USPS Form #1508 along with the parcel. KAP Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service? A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)]
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Post by Cannon on Feb 3, 2012 18:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by edk on Feb 3, 2012 18:41:46 GMT -5
FWIW I sent my SBH to the factory in New Hampshire via FedEx. The factory is just as close to me as is FedEX ;D It is legal for a FFL dealer to ship through the post office. As Ken pointed out I make use of my friendly local dealer to do this all the time. If I am correct they do need to run it through their log though. I believe this means the manufacturer cannot send it directly back to the owner (correct me if I am wrong). Recently I bought one of the $250 Uberti's shortly after and a UPS call tag was generated for a warranty repair. The repair was completed promptly and the revolver returned directly to me. Hard to imagine there was any profit on that gun!
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Post by nolongcolt on Feb 3, 2012 18:56:49 GMT -5
Thanks all for the "enlightenment". I stand corrected.
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Post by hammerdown77 on Feb 3, 2012 19:01:48 GMT -5
FWIW I sent my SBH to the factory in New Hampshire via FedEx. Regular ground @ $16.00. They inspected the gun prior to shipping to make sure it wasn't loaded. I live in Kalifornia (unfortunately). You shipped a gun across the country, from California no less, for $16 using FedEx??? How did you swing that action??? I wonder if the person at that FedEx center is still employed...
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Post by hammerdown77 on Feb 3, 2012 19:05:38 GMT -5
It is legal for a FFL dealer to ship through the post office. As Ken pointed out I make use of my friendly local dealer to do this all the time. If I am correct they do need to run it through their log though. I believe this means the manufacturer cannot send it directly back to the owner (correct me if I am wrong). If they (the factory, or gunsmith) send it back USPS, then they have to go through your FFL. If they send it via FedEx or UPS, it can be shipped directly to your house and you have to be there to sign for it. The best way to send a gun is to have the manufacturer email you a return label. Then you just box it up, slap on the label, and drop it off at your local UPS or FedEx place. On the manuf.'s dime, of course. Granted, this doesn't apply for custom work...
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Post by CBH on Feb 3, 2012 19:15:55 GMT -5
hammerdown77
I hope so. She was totally friendly and professional. I believe it shipped solely on weight. BTW Ruger took care of me ,too Tho it took two mos.
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Post by ChiefTJS on Feb 3, 2012 20:54:27 GMT -5
I used to play by the rules and do the "Next Day" thing and probably did it 20-30 times. I then sent a handgun to a fellow up in Alaska pretty deep in the bush, they charged me $85.00 to do it and simply delivered it to the post office in Anchorage to let them make the delivery and it took over a week. When I pay for overnight then by god that's what I expect.
Since then I send them super saver third day for about $25.00 and tell them its parts. I'd like to have an ffl do it through the post office, but they all seem to think this service should cost me exactly what the FedEx overnight cost is.
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Post by cubrock on Feb 3, 2012 21:54:41 GMT -5
I used to play by the rules and do the "Next Day" thing and probably did it 20-30 times. I then sent a handgun to a fellow up in Alaska pretty deep in the bush, they charged me $85.00 to do it and simply delivered it to the post office in Anchorage to let them make the delivery and it took over a week. When I pay for overnight then by god that's what I expect. Since then I send them super saver third day for about $25.00 and tell them its parts. I'd like to have an ffl do it through the post office, but they all seem to think this service should cost me exactly what the FedEx overnight cost is. I know a lot of folks who do it like you do it. If you ever have to make an insurance claim shipping it that way, they'll deny it right off if they discover you sent a handgun via any method other than their rules state. I usually don't have the cajones to risk it.
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Post by Cannon on Feb 3, 2012 22:17:49 GMT -5
It is not Illegal to break rules. It is Illegal to break laws. Please don't get rules confused with laws. Rob, while I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment, the problem in this case is that there are laws against breaking the rules. US Code Title 18, Section 1715 essentially re-states the USPS rules, and adds that anyone breaking the rules, "shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both." Unfortunately the same holds true with all the tricks people use with FedEx and UPS. Federal law requires that the carrier be notified when you ship a firearm. So breaking the carrier's rules by declaring the package to be 'machined parts' IS breaking the law. [18 USC 922(e)]
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Post by robl on Feb 4, 2012 0:17:02 GMT -5
Cannon & Cubrock; I will concede to your wisdom. Those were both things that occurred as I was pondering the ramifications of a missing firearm and any claim. I stand corrected. Much as I hate it. Respectfully yours.
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Post by Snyd on Feb 4, 2012 0:55:34 GMT -5
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Post by tek4260 on Feb 4, 2012 1:31:15 GMT -5
I figure that we all here are somewhat "gun-nuts" and have a copy of our dealers FFL and act as their agents so Fed-up and UPS isn't a concern.
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