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Post by Encore64 on Feb 29, 2024 21:18:00 GMT -5
Hey, I'm happy anytime someone is resolving issues. Your use of "flyers" indicated you thought there was a problem.
For me, flyers only occur when they repeatedly come from the same chamber. That's why I asked about that.
Your standards and definition of accuracy may differ from mine due to the difference in our abilities.
So, to be clear, I'm happy when I shoot 1.5" or under...
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Post by hunter01 on Feb 29, 2024 21:19:50 GMT -5
I was cleaning up the 357 BFR ive been hunting with and checked the throats on it while i had the cylinder out. All would take a .357 and none would even think about a .358 so its seems this one is pretty close. They are surely more concerned with setting these guns up for jacketed bullets, but i dont think it would hurt the jacketed accuracy if they were to set the 357's at .358 and the 44's at .431. I havnt checked my 454 yet but i will when i clean it.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 29, 2024 21:25:07 GMT -5
I don't want to hijack or sidetrack your thread. But, most guns are built for factory ammo.
My 357 Magnum also fits perfectly with your measurements. So, I simply sized bullets to fit the throats. It was cheaper, faster and easier. Accuracy didn't suffer a bit. Only change was I could seat the bullets farther out...
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Post by hunter01 on Feb 29, 2024 21:26:17 GMT -5
Hey, I'm happy anytime someone is resolving issues. Your use of "flyers" indicated you thought there was a problem. For me, flyers only occur when they repeatedly come from the same chamber. That's why I asked about that. Your standards and definition of accuracy may differ from mine due to the difference in our abilities. So, to be clear, I'm happy when I shoot 1.5" or under... For me a "flyer" is any shot that lands outside the group when i confident i did everything right. If i make a poor shot i have absolutely no qualms owning it and i certainly dont call those flyers. If i have 4 shots in 1/2" and the 5th opens the group to 1", its still a flyer to me and i want to know why it wasnt with the other 4. My background is benchrest and LR match rifle shooting. Its a whole different level of accuracy and takes far less skill to achieve.
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Post by hunter01 on Feb 29, 2024 21:30:05 GMT -5
I don't want to hijack or sidetrack your thread. But, most guns are built for factory ammo. My 357 Magnum also fits perfectly with your measurements. So, I simply sized bullets to fit the throats. It was cheaper, faster and easier. Accuracy didn't suffer a bit. Only change was I could seat the bullets farther out... Im also sizing to the throats and had to buy a .357 sizer for the BFR. i havnt slugged any bores, but its Hard to say accuracy didnt suffer if you dont have a cylinder with .358 throats to compare.
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 29, 2024 21:31:08 GMT -5
Your background probably explains your drive to achieve better accuracy.
Hope you keep us updated as you work thru this...
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Post by Encore64 on Feb 29, 2024 21:33:44 GMT -5
I don't want to hijack or sidetrack your thread. But, most guns are built for factory ammo. My 357 Magnum also fits perfectly with your measurements. So, I simply sized bullets to fit the throats. It was cheaper, faster and easier. Accuracy didn't suffer a bit. Only change was I could seat the bullets farther out... Im also sizing to the throats and had to buy a .357 sizer for the BFR. i havnt slugged any bores, but its Hard to say accuracy didnt suffer if you dont have a cylinder with .358 throats to compare. Accuracy didn't suffer from when I used .358" bullets seated normal length to when I sized then down to .357" and seated them farther out...
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Post by hunter01 on Feb 29, 2024 21:38:32 GMT -5
Your background probably explains your drive to achieve better accuracy. Hope you keep us updated as you work thru this... Thats why i wish there was a thread dedicated to guns and groups. I really dont want to chase my tail if im already close. If there are plenty of guns and shooters out there capable of sub 1/2" 25yd groups, ive got lots of work to do. If the best guns and shooters are 3/4-1" at 25yds, my FA is there and i think the BFR's will get there.
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 1, 2024 7:05:57 GMT -5
I've posted a few pics on here of sub 3" and even sub one inch groups from Rugers, BFR'S, and FA's. All with the use of the Ransome rest. For the most part my one hundred yards groups are more in the 5-6 inch range when fired from the sandbags.
But I do have some smiths and rugers that do good to print sub 3" at 50yds from the rest, but shoot about the same offhand. Accuracy is sometimes hard to guage.
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Post by reflex264 on Mar 1, 2024 8:56:56 GMT -5
Following. It looks like another BFR that is going to be a great shooter.
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 1, 2024 9:04:49 GMT -5
I've posted a few pics on here of sub 3" and even sub one inch groups from Rugers, BFR'S, and FA's. All with the use of the Ransome rest. For the most part my one hundred yards groups are more in the 5-6 inch range when fired from the sandbags. But I do have some smiths and rugers that do good to print sub 3" at 50yds from the rest, but shoot about the same offhand. Accuracy is sometimes hard to guage. Ive only shot two groups at 85yds (the farthest i could go and still see the target) when i got the 359-640 mold going to compare it to the 200gr i had been hunting with in the 357. My focus was to test drop. shooting was from a makeshift field rest. The 640 shot 3 3/4" with almost all horizontal dispersion. The 200gr shot 4" and shot a few inches higher than the 640. The wind was howling that day and both loads had 6+" of drift at that distance. Neither group excited me but it did look like the 640 wanted to shoot. I cant even imagine being able to shoot 3" groups at 50yds unsupported. To me thats the epitome of mastering the handgun! As soon as im satisfied with a gun and load up close, ill take it to at least 100yds on steel and post some groups.
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Post by bigbore5 on Mar 1, 2024 14:17:30 GMT -5
Just a few years ago, I went to Contender's shooting range to shoot some single actions after years of semiautomatic action shooting. It was rather embarrassing.
500-1000 rounds a week, shooting nearly every day, I improved from shooting like a beginner again to having my hand back. Currently I average 200rds a week of lesser recoil rounds and at least 50 of full throttle big bore hunting rounds. And by hunting loads I mean my lightest is a 45 Colt 310swc at 1250 up to the Bushwhacker 525gr at 1600.
Improvement only takes time and lead.
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 1, 2024 15:52:09 GMT -5
I had a little time today waiting on some parts and some caulk to cure so i decided to make a decent rest that would sit in my window sill and allow a very steady platform. After that was done i shot a couple groups with my 357 since the 44 is out of the game until i get a better sight. I shot 2 groups with the MP 200gr and 15.5gr of wc820. One group was solids and one was the large HP. With my new rest i didnt have to manhandle the gun at all and tried to treat it like a BR rifle. I am pleased. The solid group had 4 in 5/8" with the 5th opening it up to 1". The HP group had 4 in 5/8" with the 5th opening it up to 1.5". I didnt sort the HP rounds and some of them had pretty bad noses with wrinkles or poor fill out. Dont know if i picked up a bad one. What pleases me is when the groups are overlayed, 8 of 10 go into less than 3/4", 9 of 10 into an inch, and the one flier of unknown origin. I feel like im getting somewhere now!
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Post by hgunhtr on Mar 1, 2024 16:36:27 GMT -5
well done, i figured you would start eliminating varibles until you got what you wanted. did you slick up the trigger on either gun?
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Post by hunter01 on Mar 1, 2024 16:51:19 GMT -5
well done, i figured you would start eliminating varibles until you got what you wanted. did you slick up the trigger on either gun? No sir. As they came out of the box right now. All of my BFR's so far put my FA trigger to shame and they are just production guns. Cant wait to see what they are like with some springs and stoning.
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