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Post by 44mag on Feb 24, 2024 16:32:51 GMT -5
Considering I came off on the wrong foot maybe some of you guys can give me your COMPLETE back ground of what do carrer and gun related without an attitude and I can get an idea of WHO I can trust for the right information. Sound reasonable or am I being a troll ? Everybody here is a liar….especially me…. You could do what l asked and stop acting juvenile .
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 24, 2024 17:46:44 GMT -5
This forum is very cordial to each other. Many of it's members are actually well known to down right famous.
As I said before, wrong or false information is quickly corrected. Dangerous data is not just allowed to be passed along without being exposed.
I fully understand being sceptical of Internet information. A man would be a fool not to be.
If you will read some of the older threads on here, you will see the processes for most things you could want to do detailed out with photos included. From the development of entirely new cartridges to building the guns to shoot them. There's detailed evaluations of existing cartridges, bullets, guns, etc complete with detailed measurements and photos.
Looking through the old threads will show you who to follow to reach your goals. Almost anything you need to know has been answered here.
If you genuinely want data, opinions, or details about members' experience with something, you only have to ask. It will be shared freely. Use what you like, but don't challenge everyone. It's rude and this is not that kind of forum.
In return we look forward to seeing you share your experiences as well. Photos and exact details and measurements are appreciated. I would enjoy photos of game you have taken, especially those of the autopsy types you will find often on here showing performance instead of vague descriptions.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 24, 2024 18:09:26 GMT -5
This forum is very cordial to each other. Many of it's members are actually well known to down right famous. As I said before, wrong or false information is quickly corrected. Dangerous data is not just allowed to be passed along without being exposed. I fully understand being sceptical of Internet information. A man would be a fool not to be. If you will read some of the older threads on here, you will see the processes for most things you could want to do detailed out with photos included. From the development of entirely new cartridges to building the guns to shoot them. There's detailed evaluations of existing cartridges, bullets, guns, etc complete with detailed measurements and photos. Looking through the old threads will show you who to follow to reach your goals. Almost anything you need to know has been answered here. If you genuinely want data, opinions, or details about members' experience with something, you only have to ask. It will be shared freely. Use what you like, but don't challenge everyone. It's rude and this is not that kind of forum. In return we look forward to seeing you share your experiences as well. Photos and exact details and measurements are appreciated. I would enjoy photos of game you have taken, especially those of the autopsy types you will find often on here showing performance instead of vague descriptions. If need be, I will continue to challenge. I don't know certain people, who they are, what they know or what they are about. If they would be ok with giving a description of their back ground to convince me that it's not necessary to challenge them, I won't, simple as that. I believe it's rude and inconsiderate to leave people in the dark about what they know or have experienced. I asked you and you had no problem telling me about yourself. If they can't handle it.. that's on them. Maybe you can give me user names of a bunch I can rely on.
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Post by northerngos on Feb 24, 2024 18:58:26 GMT -5
Anybody could lie about a background, and you seem to be assuming there is a lot of deception here. Not sure where you come up with the idea that you are entitled to people taking their time to present their pedigree so you can then evaluate an answer they have kindly provided to your questions. Everything you need to know, to judge people for yourself, is here in writing. It has been suggested several times that you avail yourself of the information at your fingertips. Take your own time and do your own reading and research here on the forum, the search function should be easy enough to figure out. You will “continue to challenge”, and yet your own questions and statements indicate you aren’t exactly challenging from a position of any experience or actual knowledge, but more from information dragged from a cursory google search. There are a lot of people on here with decades of hard won knowledge and several of them have attempted to help you learn things you clearly need help with. But they don’t even owe you that much. Demanding that people detail their life history to you is ridiculous. Do your homework.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 24, 2024 19:17:22 GMT -5
Anybody could lie about a background, and you seem to be assuming there is a lot of deception here. Not sure where you come up with the idea that you are entitled to people taking their time to present their pedigree so you can then evaluate an answer they have kindly provided to your questions. Everything you need to know, to judge people for yourself, is here in writing. It has been suggested several times that you avail yourself of the information at your fingertips. Take your own time and do your own reading and research here on the forum, the search function should be easy enough to figure out. You will “continue to challenge”, and yet your own questions and statements indicate you aren’t exactly challenging from a position of any experience or actual knowledge, but more from information dragged from a cursory google search. There are a lot of people on here with decades of hard won knowledge and several of them have attempted to help you learn things you clearly need help with. But they don’t even owe you that much. Demanding that people detail their life history to you is ridiculous. Do your homework. I'll give you a HINT...Maybe but YOU could tell the ones who wouldn't ! Think. And anyone could feed me BS.. especially if some ones new at it, and how are you supposed to evaluate information if you don't know what they're talking about?.... AND if you ask to many questions because you don't understand, you're challenging or a troll. THINK about it. Maybe next time you get screwed over a quack Dr, let me know how you made out looking for references for a better Dr. HINT !
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Post by marlin35 on Feb 24, 2024 19:38:35 GMT -5
Anybody could lie about a background, and you seem to be assuming there is a lot of deception here. Not sure where you come up with the idea that you are entitled to people taking their time to present their pedigree so you can then evaluate an answer they have kindly provided to your questions. Everything you need to know, to judge people for yourself, is here in writing. It has been suggested several times that you avail yourself of the information at your fingertips. Take your own time and do your own reading and research here on the forum, the search function should be easy enough to figure out. You will “continue to challenge”, and yet your own questions and statements indicate you aren’t exactly challenging from a position of any experience or actual knowledge, but more from information dragged from a cursory google search. There are a lot of people on here with decades of hard won knowledge and several of them have attempted to help you learn things you clearly need help with. But they don’t even owe you that much. Demanding that people detail their life history to you is ridiculous. Do your homework. I'll give you a HINT...Maybe but YOU could tell the ones who wouldn't ! Think. And anyone could feed me BS.. especially if some ones new at it, and how are you supposed to evaluate information if you don't know what they're talking about?.... AND if you ask to many questions because you don't understand, you're challenging or a troll. THINK about it. Maybe next time you get screwed over a quack Dr, let me know how you made out looking for references for a better Dr. HINT ! I have been quietly observing this thread and the other you were a part of. I would just like to kindly say, as someone who came here knowing relatively nothing, that these folks have never, and have the integrity to never lead you astray. Sure there may be disagreeing due to varying experiences, education, backgrounds, but at the end of the day this is a cohort of peers that all love this thing called Sixguns (and firearms in general). I guess I am vouching for the guys here. I feel honored every time I get a response, that these individuals would take time out of their day to help little ole me figure out things that are elementary to them. Good day, God bless, and I hope you find yourself able to learn from some of the best in the game.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 24, 2024 20:10:50 GMT -5
How would you feel if you walked into a Dr's office or a auto reapir shop without credentials? Or not knowing anyone who had work done thier, and you just walked in the front door and said fix my problem. Just because some one says they did this, or that.... means nothing to me. Some things are cut and dry some things ain't. You take a chance of getting your body back in one piece or your car, which it has happened to me and alot of these gun forums are armatures. Sometimes it ain't easy to pick out guys who really are good at what they do. Talk is cheap.
I'm impressed with my Primary Dr's degrees and rewards from prominent colleges and establishments signed by well known affiliates.
He has a long track record of his craft.
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Post by Odin on Feb 24, 2024 22:31:36 GMT -5
Sometimes you need to do some testing on your own. Absent that, you could look at testing done by others. Here's penetration data from test done at the Linebaugh Seminars from 2002-2004 - Linebaugh Penetration TestsThoughts from John Linebaugh on the matter quoted here, albeit with a 45 Colt... I myself would feel fully at ease using a 320-grain 44-caliber LFN running 1050fps (FWIW, that's a sub 25Kpsi 44 Special load). For some odd reason, if that load gave me a case of the doubts, I'd just bring the 475L and get the work done. Shame on the man who can't be bothered to bring enough gun. At some point, Ralphie, you're just gonna have to do some work on your own.
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Post by flattopdan on Feb 24, 2024 23:35:12 GMT -5
I’ve never shot a game animal with a revolver and am more of a shooter than hunter. Where I hunt on public land, deer are scarce and not easy to find or hunt. I am indifferent about shooting a bear, though I do buy a tag every year just case the right one happens by. I have had a smallish one in my sights but chose to watch it eat beechnuts rather than shoot it. I have however read dozens if not hundreds of posts over the years about bear or other game bullets and from what I can tell a hard cast bullet at 1000 fps will generally zip though most game with ease.
My current hunting handgun is a 4 5/8 ruger 480, I shoot a 335 grain MP bullet with a cup hollow point at about 1100 Fps.
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 25, 2024 8:01:11 GMT -5
I’ve never shot a game animal with a revolver and am more of a shooter than hunter. Where I hunt on public land, deer are scarce and not easy to find or hunt. I am indifferent about shooting a bear, though I do buy a tag every year just case the right one happens by. I have had a smallish one in my sights but chose to watch it eat beechnuts rather than shoot it. I have however read dozens if not hundreds of posts over the years about bear or other game bullets and from what I can tell a hard cast bullet at 1000 fps will generally zip though most game with ease. My current hunting handgun is a 4 5/8 ruger 480, I shoot a 335 grain MP bullet with a cup hollow point at about 1100 Fps. ***** Your indifference to shooting a bear makes sense. If you don’t really enjoy bear meat, don’t shoot. My taste for bear meat has narrowed, and I see no reason to seek another. I love seeing a black bear in the woods or, much more likely, in a pasture or hayfield. Any shot on a female black bear may leave orphans. How many can differentiate between make and female? Shot placement on a bear is serious. Very easy to wound a bear, to never see it again. Ego & conceit are enemies of fine marksmanship, and this extends to cartridge and bullet selection. A world separates hunting bear on your hind legs and shooting over bait. The difference being time of exposure----or lack thereof----and that cute concept, “presentation.” Of course, man is a more effective ambush predator than stalker, especially when it comes to bear. Ambush ratchets the chance of success. Stalking and tracking ratchet knowledge and exercise. Human encroachment and development in the northeast has dramatically changed hunting the last couple decades. Ambush the only option in many locales. Encroachment fractures land otherwise conducive to tracking, and climate change fractures snow conditions necessary to tracking. Your choice of . 480 Ruger with cast 335 Cup Nose @ 1,100 fps sounds effective. I would prefer POWDER COAT to hard cast,. Either way, the cup nose should pack plenty wallop. And certainly work for deer. As to the romance of feeling threatened by a black bear, and cooly drawing a pistol, and effectively placing a round.... nothing I say will end that discussion! David Bradshaw
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 25, 2024 8:43:54 GMT -5
I am an avid bear hunter. We mostly pursue them with hounds and honestly I wouldn't have taken a quarter of the bears I have without them.
Since NC now allows the use of certain non-processed baits, and that my health no longer allows me to run up and down mountains or slosh through swamplands like I did for 40+ years, I have stand hunted this past season. Didn't get one, but it certainly was easier.
I've killed many with the 357mag. A few with a 44. A couple with the 500L. One with the 45 Colt.
The 357 is great when they are bayed up and fighting the dogs loaded with soft 358429 hp's at 1100fps because it often doesn't exit if put through the shoulders to stop the fight. The bear can kill a dog, but just as easily a bullet passing through can too.
The 44 and 45 using Keith bullets at 1200 are great killers and are decisive at stopping a charge due to their ability to break supporting bones.
The 500 Linebaugh loaded with 435 or 485 grain hollow points is simply awesome. It breaks bones, destroys muscles and organs, plus leaves impressive exit holes. Even on 600+ pound black bear. I carried the same loads for brown bear with absolute confidence.
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Post by bula on Feb 25, 2024 9:29:28 GMT -5
The romance thing. Understand the notion finds its way into literature, at a later date than the event. I understand, having read most of Capstick, and Jack London, etc.. Myself, the raising of hair and nitrious oxide like punch of adrenalin doesn't seem romantic to me ! But it is a reminder of how precious life is, being on the edge, does that. When the presence of a bear has hit my consciousness in a non-hunting situation, I cannot attest to how slick my draw was. I do know that there is now a gun in my hand. When others with me, and the romance is over, LOL, they've commented about me having a gun in hand. Oh' there have been 3 instances where no gun was in hand, due to no gun on board. Bowhunting bear in Ontario and bowhunting deer in Penn.. In those 3 cases, the romance lasted a bit longer. This is tongue in cheek stuff, a wooof and a foot stomp from the thicket you just entered, NOT romantic. Takes a week or two, then adult beverage in hand and with friends, a worthy story can be related. I like hearing them too.
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 25, 2024 10:10:09 GMT -5
Heck, in bear country any moment can get exciting. I've had that woof-stomp thing more than once just going out to my truck. Sure gets the attention focused. And that gun does magically appear in the hand, doesn't it?
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Post by blackmamba on Feb 27, 2024 9:45:16 GMT -5
A friend and I were scouting a duck pond in rough country and both wearing sidearms. We were staying very quiet so we could sneak up to the pond and see if there were any ducks. Suddenly there was a rustle in the brush about 20 yards behind us and my buddy "slapped leather" and brought his 6" model 57 up to cover . . . . a raccoon! Why he was so nervous I don't know, but we had a good laugh about it.
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Post by bula on Feb 27, 2024 12:24:23 GMT -5
A bunch of bear bumps over the years. Twice I think warning shots were fired. There were over the years here in the river bottom hood I'm in, 3 times I killed wonky behaving raccoons in full daylight. On the ground, on mown areas, acting quite drunk it looked. Distemper is my thought. So I'd not tease your friend too much !
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