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Post by webber on Feb 20, 2024 7:52:18 GMT -5
Just remember the firing line and the targets, not just a target, is the final judge of you and the firearm. The biggest factor in accuracy is the shooter. No getting around that with any amount of tinkering. Tinkering is fun thought. It gives a degree self satisfaction to feel good about it.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 20, 2024 9:16:25 GMT -5
Just remember the firing line and the targets, not just a target, is the final judge of you and the firearm. The biggest factor in accuracy is the shooter. No getting around that with any amount of tinkering. Tinkering is fun thought. It gives a degree self satisfaction to feel good about it. Does Bigbore5 have any credibility on this forum ? Or do you have more than he does ? Is he one of the top competitors? Gunsmiths, etc....
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Post by bradshaw on Feb 20, 2024 9:54:44 GMT -5
After having the throat sizes corrected, accuracy greatly improved. The throats are cut to .001"-.002" over bore diameter. If the particular gun requires it, I will also recut the forcing cone to a short 11° angle. [/quote] ***** This is abstract and borderline inflammatory. Let’s define your terms:1) "After having throat sizes corrected, accuracy greatly improved.” Abstract. A specific claim, without numbers.2) “... throats are cut to .100”-,002” over bore diameter.” So, chamber exit hole diameter is less than the lands. And cutting, exit hole diameter is .001”-.002” over land diameter, but less than groove diameter.3) “... recut forcing cone to a short 11-degree angle.” No mention of original cone angle. No mention of setting back the barrel to achieve a short cone. The 11-degree cone is a Ruger standard, along with another major revolver maker. Where does the implication the 11-degree cone is a non-factory innovation come from?
No mention of setting back the barrel to achieve a “short” cone. What’s your recommended THREAD TIMING? David Bradshaw
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Post by 44mag on Feb 20, 2024 10:20:12 GMT -5
LOL whatever. So why didn’t you say this before?? You had to wait until now ?
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Post by Odin on Feb 20, 2024 10:56:38 GMT -5
Please understand that David is honestly trying to help you. Also understand that he is one of the most respected individuals, not only on this forum, but in the revolver industry as a whole. And it is not without merit. Around these parts it is better to be respectful and pay attention to what you are being told (or asked), than remaining flippant and defensive. That's what makes this place different. We're not snobby know-it-alls, we're just not the rest of the Internet.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 20, 2024 11:13:15 GMT -5
Please understand that David is honestly trying to help you. Also understand that he is one of the most respected individuals, not only on this forum, but in the revolver industry as a whole. And it is not without merit. Around these parts it is better to be respectful and pay attention to what you are being told (or asked), than remaining flippant and defensive. That's what makes this place different. We're not snobby know-it-alls, we're just not the rest of the Internet. Not when he contradicts himself I won't, and I say this without apology. Come again ?
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Post by bula on Feb 20, 2024 11:27:25 GMT -5
aah...nevermind.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 20, 2024 11:31:23 GMT -5
aah...nevermind. good answer
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Post by bula on Feb 20, 2024 11:54:18 GMT -5
It works ! I figured out how to block a member, happy sigh. Carry on.
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Post by Odin on Feb 20, 2024 13:12:24 GMT -5
It works ! I figured out how to block a member, happy sigh. Carry on. Thanks Bula. For others, this is available in your profile settings. Go to profile> edit profile> privacy> block users You can then toggle the level of blocking you wish to apply via the check boxes. I was unable to access this feature on my mobile device in the regular “Mobile View “, but was able to make the desired changes in the “Desktop View “. The viewing options are accessible at the bottom of the page.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 20, 2024 13:52:27 GMT -5
The ones who run thier mouth the most are worth not talking too… bye
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Post by dvnv on Feb 20, 2024 14:57:06 GMT -5
"The ones who run thier mouth the most are worth not talking too…"
good answer
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Post by bigbore5 on Feb 20, 2024 15:21:30 GMT -5
After having the throat sizes corrected, accuracy greatly improved. The throats are cut to .001"-.002" over bore diameter. If the particular gun requires it, I will also recut the forcing cone to a short 11° angle. ***** This is abstract and borderline inflammatory. Let’s define your terms:1) "After having throat sizes corrected, accuracy greatly improved.” Abstract. A specific claim, without numbers.2) “... throats are cut to .100”-,002” over bore diameter.” So, chamber exit hole diameter is less than the lands. And cutting, exit hole diameter is .001”-.002” over land diameter, but less than groove diameter.3) “... recut forcing cone to a short 11-degree angle.” No mention of original cone angle. No mention of setting back the barrel to achieve a short cone. The 11-degree cone is a Ruger standard, along with another major revolver maker. Where does the implication the 11-degree cone is a non-factory innovation come from?
No mention of setting back the barrel to achieve a “short” cone. What’s your recommended THREAD TIMING? David Bradshaw [/quote] Mr. Bradshaw, I was trying to speak simply to someone who obviously couldn't or wouldn't grasp the finer points. Every gun I get is shot from the bench first. If all is well, then I live with it for a few weeks and a couple hundred rounds. If not great, I will try a couple different loads to see if it's just picky If accuracy doesn't come from any pet loads, then I will start looking for why. Poor forcing cone, alignment, throats, gun grip fit in my hand, trigger. Etc. Then and only then I begin at what's most obvious and begin blue printing and correcting. Grips don't fit? Call Chad at Chigs because he knows my hand. Cylinder shake? Base pin, maybe a bushing. Cylinder throat undersized? Fermin or Doug. Rotational looseness or timing issues? Powers parts. Excessive cylinder gap or incorrect forcing cone cut? I will set the barrel back one or two threads ensuring front sight alignment is maintained or corrected, then cut the short cone. So forth and so on. After correction, if it still doesn't shoot to my standards, I'll just fancy polish it then, then have it engraved prior to rust bluing it so I can sell it as gun art.
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Post by bigbrowndog on Feb 20, 2024 15:28:03 GMT -5
Well bye then!!! You do seem to be running through forums quite a bit, hope you find a home that suits you. Trapr
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Post by 44mag on Feb 20, 2024 15:34:13 GMT -5
***** This is abstract and borderline inflammatory. Let’s define your terms:1) "After having throat sizes corrected, accuracy greatly improved.” Abstract. A specific claim, without numbers.2) “... throats are cut to .100”-,002” over bore diameter.” So, chamber exit hole diameter is less than the lands. And cutting, exit hole diameter is .001”-.002” over land diameter, but less than groove diameter.3) “... recut forcing cone to a short 11-degree angle.” No mention of original cone angle. No mention of setting back the barrel to achieve a short cone. The 11-degree cone is a Ruger standard, along with another major revolver maker. Where does the implication the 11-degree cone is a non-factory innovation come from?
No mention of setting back the barrel to achieve a “short” cone. What’s your recommended THREAD TIMING? David Bradshaw Mr. Bradshaw, I was trying to speak simply to someone who obviously couldn't or wouldn't grasp the finer points. Every gun I get is shot from the bench first. If all is well, then I live with it for a few weeks and a couple hundred rounds. If not great, I will try a couple different loads to see if it's just picky If accuracy doesn't come from any pet loads, then I will start looking for why. Poor forcing cone, alignment, throats, gun grip fit in my hand, trigger. Etc. Then and only then I begin at what's most obvious and begin blue printing and correcting. Grips don't fit? Call Chad at Chigs because he knows my hand. Cylinder shake? Base pin, maybe a bushing. Cylinder throat undersized? Fermin or Doug. Rotational looseness or timing issues? Powers parts. Excessive cylinder gap or incorrect forcing cone cut? I will set the barrel back one or two threads ensuring front sight alignment is maintained or corrected, then cut the short cone. So forth and so on. After correction, if it still doesn't shoot to my standards, I'll just fancy polish it then, then have it engraved prior to rust bluing it so I can sell it as gun art.[/quote] GASP !!!!!! Are you sure it isn't you ? Get with Webber, he'll fix you up in a Jiffy !!!!
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