Odin
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Post by Odin on Feb 18, 2024 22:36:29 GMT -5
No one here told you to spend a lot of money. I told you of a source for size dies. Bushy told you of another. Neither one is terribly expensive.
You mentioned asking Bowen to cut you a new cylinder without sending him the gun ($1000). Reeder was offered as an alternative ($650), but rightfully neither will do so without gun in hand, as Rugers are not made of Legos, hands and eyes are fragile, and lawsuits are a thing.
But now we've moved on to oversized throats, chamber-to-bore misalignment and somehow there's something wrong with the forcing cone? How did all this happen in the span of a Sunday afternoon nap?
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Post by edk on Feb 19, 2024 1:19:31 GMT -5
Ok, I won’t make you wait:
Your Redhawk has decent dimensions that are quite workable with custom cast bullets and/or custom sizing die - all of which guys on this forum do to set up their revolvers. That would include me with Ruger‘s having similar dimensions as yours.
Now on the other hand, I go and buy a different brand revolver that “supposedly“ is the ultimate in precision and it has throat groove relationships that are even more of a challenge for cast bullets. That was the point.
Again, these gyrations are tweaks for ideal cast bullet performance. Likely all of these revolvers will shoot jacketed bullets acceptably well - if not great.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 19, 2024 1:42:21 GMT -5
No one here told you to spend a lot of money. I told you of a source for size dies. Bushy told you of another. Neither one is terribly expensive. You mentioned asking Bowen to cut you a new cylinder without sending him the gun ($1000). Reeder was offered as an alternative ($650), but rightfully neither will do so without gun in hand, as Rugers are not made of Legos, hands and eyes are fragile, and lawsuits are a thing. But now we've moved on to oversized throats, chamber-to-bore misalignment and somehow there's something wrong with the forcing cone? How did all this happen in the span of a Sunday afternoon nap? You're all over the place....... your last paragraph were thoughts I was thinking about, doesn't mean I was gonna do them, and considering I never went that route, I ask. IF you read my original Post that's where I started. Oversized Throats, try and keep up. I never said there is or was something wrong with anything, you're assuming there is just because I ask about it, it's a called a conversation of POSSIBILTITES. There's nothing wrong with wanting a tighter cylinder is there? And the guys that aren't most that don't think it's a working combination, your think it's wrong ?? I hope your nap wasn't too long.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 19, 2024 1:51:50 GMT -5
No one here told you to spend a lot of money. I told you of a source for size dies. Bushy told you of another. Neither one is terribly expensive. You mentioned asking Bowen to cut you a new cylinder without sending him the gun ($1000). Reeder was offered as an alternative ($650), but rightfully neither will do so without gun in hand, as Rugers are not made of Legos, hands and eyes are fragile, and lawsuits are a thing. But now we've moved on to oversized throats, chamber-to-bore misalignment and somehow there's something wrong with the forcing cone? How did all this happen in the span of a Sunday afternoon nap? yeah you mentioned sizing dies..... I'm aware of filling throats but I was considering about jacketed, which I did mention in my OP in the fourth paragraph, Roze bullets. .431 dia. That's why I was going over it with you guys. It's workable with cast, that's a done deal.
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44mag
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Post by 44mag on Feb 19, 2024 2:00:13 GMT -5
Ok, I won’t make you wait: Your Redhawk has decent dimensions that are quite workable with custom cast bullets and/or custom sizing die - all of which guys on this forum do to set up their revolvers. That would include me with Ruger‘s having similar dimensions as yours. Now on the other hand, I go and buy a different brand revolver that “supposedly“ is the ultimate in precision and it has throat groove relationships that are even more of a challenge for cast bullets. That was the point. Again, these gyrations are tweaks for ideal cast bullet performance. " Likely" all of these revolvers will shoot jacketed bullets acceptably well - if not great.Likely ? How would jacketed "fill" the throat ? I ask this based on this form ODIN
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Post by edk on Feb 19, 2024 8:10:24 GMT -5
So the word likely is objectionable? I can confirm that my Rugers with oversize throats shoot jacketeted bullets well. Where the word likely comes in is because when speaking of our collective revolvers as a group , we don’t know how well your Redhawk shoots factory jacketed bullets therefore it becomes a probability.
Thousands upon thousands of Ruger, 44 magnums have been sold over the decades with very similar dimensional relationships. I don’t see a recall anytime soon. This supports the use of “likely“
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Post by 44mag on Feb 19, 2024 8:34:19 GMT -5
So the word likely is objectionable? I can confirm that my Rugers with oversize throats shoot jacketeted bullets well. Where the word likely comes in is because when speaking of our collective revolvers as a group , we don’t know how well your Redhawk shoots factory jacketed bullets therefore it becomes a probability. Thousands upon thousands of Ruger, 44 magnums have been sold over the decades with very similar dimensional relationships. I don’t see a recall anytime soon. This supports the use of “likely“ well considering when dealing with cerebral people like yourself, yeah anything can be objectionable My Pistol may not like an oversized throat with jacketed bullets.. I'm glad you came to that conclusion.
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Post by edk on Feb 19, 2024 8:37:39 GMT -5
Consider for a moment the "last word":
SAAMI Z299.3-2022 page 46 44 Remington Magnum .4325 CYL .429 Groove Dia.
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Post by 44mag on Feb 19, 2024 9:00:09 GMT -5
Consider for a moment the "last word": SAAMI Z299.3-2022 page 46 44 Remington Magnum .4325 CYL .429 Groove Dia. so what's your point ?? I can still have a cylinder to what ever spec I want according to Bowen. And Ruger can settle, even though it's not industry standard, what groove they want and did in my case. How does Saami deal with that ?
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Post by bula on Feb 19, 2024 9:27:48 GMT -5
I learned of a .431" jacketed bullet source, I'm quite happy with this thread. Wish I'd have found this thread earlier, popcorn would have been made.
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Post by webber on Feb 19, 2024 10:27:02 GMT -5
I recently bought a 85' era Redhawk from a local gun shop for $575, and glad I did, not saying all new production one aren't good, but they aren't available now a days. I was told by a Ruger rep that the Redhawks and and Black hawks aren't in demand. I only see used ones on GB and local shop displays. My groove diameter is .431 and the cylinder throats are .4325 With a .432 cast I can get around the oversized throats. I have a .431 lube sizer die but haven't seen a .432. I could have one honed out to .432 I bought .431 jacketed bullets from Roze distributors. Pretty good deal and pretty accurately made. .0002 under to .005 over, most are almost dead on. I read about .001 to .0015 is ok for a throat to be a little over the bullet diameter and bore, but should be tighter for casts to prevent leading. I emailed Ruger about a new cylinder at .4315 rather than the one I have at .4325. They want the whole gun to service it and would they consider replacing it as warranty? I ran into Bowen Classic Arms and wondered if they can make me a new cylinder without the gun, just me sending in my cylinder. I heard Ruger is going down hill, the company is just carrying the name. Have you shot the gun yet from field shooting positions, not just from sandbagged benchrest? If you have, are you capable of outshooting the gun the way it is?
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Post by 44mag on Feb 19, 2024 11:59:38 GMT -5
I don't think that question deserves an answer.
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Post by webber on Feb 19, 2024 12:04:07 GMT -5
I don't think that question deserves an answer. I think it is a very important question. Many worry about things that are nowhere as important as improving themselves. Would you agree or not agree?
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44mag
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Post by 44mag on Feb 19, 2024 12:37:51 GMT -5
considering that you know NOTHING about my shooting skills, that would be a poor assumption on your part. I improved my loading procedures and bedded my rifle and that's where it changed. You don't agree obviously.
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Post by webber on Feb 19, 2024 12:42:46 GMT -5
considering that you know NOTHING about my shooting skills, that would be a poor assumption on your part. I improved my loading procedures and bedded my rifle and that's where it changed. You don't agree obviously. This is about handguns. You mentioned a Ruger Redhawk. That is not a rifle. Handguns are a different situation. As Bradshaw says the firing line it the true test of man and machine (gun). Again can you out shoot the Redhawk the way it is now? I have seen a lot on the firing line.
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