|
Post by bigbore5 on Feb 18, 2024 11:32:15 GMT -5
With the slop in a stock Ruger a range rod is usually close enough. With a blocked action and fitted base pin, I agree that an indicator is necessary.
However my indicator is pretty expensive. If I didn't do machine work for a living, I would have trouble justifying the expense the expense for a general hobbist.
|
|
44mag
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 77
|
Post by 44mag on Feb 18, 2024 16:57:57 GMT -5
44mag...where are you getting your information... During the pandemic Ruger cut production of their steel guns because the demand for plastic was so high... If you look over on GunBroker there are 1200+ brand new just built Redhawks in several different calibers up for sale.....whoever gave you that information is over a year out of date... As to their quality going down hill...I have purchased at least 10 brand new or used of recent manufacture DA and SA Rugers over the last three years and have not seen any diminished quality... I had a 5.5" stainless Redhawk in .41 Magnum 15 years ago that I sold...replaced it a few years ago with one of the limited edition 4.2" models...one of the best Rugers I have ever owned. You really need to do some better checking...Bob I got my information from Ruger tech support, and one out of 4 local shop that only have used ones, the one who had a BH and a SRH were the price of a new one and I heard abou that ! Shops said they are hard to get, called quite a few. Gunbroker sales are out of my price range... over a grand, plus shipping, NICS, tranfer fees. If I couldn't get it locally I wasn't interested. Where I went to buy my used 1985 Redhawk 44 Mag 575 out he door, beautiful shape, wanted blued, not SS. There wasn't any for sale, didn't ask, they had what I wanted! I peered in the display cases, and saw Colt, Taurus, S&W Revolvers.. no Rugers. There's a big polymer following and especially more so of the semi explosion and that's all that's written about in ammo and gun magazines. The majority of ranges around me area shoot semi's very little wheel guns.
|
|
44mag
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 77
|
Post by 44mag on Feb 18, 2024 18:27:03 GMT -5
Anyone agree with this ?
Size your boolits to fill your throats with a drag fit and let the gun do the worrying. The forcing cone is not to "funnel" the boolit into the bore, it will push and rotate the cylinder into the alignment that offers the least resistance, that's it's job.
So there's no real reason to fill the throats to perfection with a cast or jacketed bullet.
On another note, how would a shoulder on a SWC be an issue ?
Maybe I should move on.. this site seems to be out of my league.. $$$
|
|
edk
.375 Atomic
Posts: 1,108
|
Post by edk on Feb 18, 2024 19:02:00 GMT -5
Anyone agree with this ? Size your boolits to fill your throats with a drag fit and let the gun do the worrying. The forcing cone is not to "funnel" the boolit into the bore, it will push and rotate the cylinder into the alignment that offers the least resistance, that's it's job. So there's no real reason to fill the throats to perfection with a cast or jacketed bullet. On another note, how would a shoulder on a SWC be an issue ? You don't agree with yourself: Size your boolits to fill your throats with a drag fit / is the same as there's no real reason to fill the throats to perfection As far as your forcing cone comment and "shoulder on a SWC" question, you have only determined that there is a 0.0015" step down from throat to groove - not a runout problem. Those two are a non-issue if cylinder-bore alignment is good. I think you're getting all tangled up here. Earlier you posted of cylinder stops damaging your bullets. You lost me there...
|
|
44mag
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 77
|
Post by 44mag on Feb 18, 2024 19:36:10 GMT -5
Anyone agree with this ? Size your boolits to fill your throats with a drag fit and let the gun do the worrying. The forcing cone is not to "funnel" the boolit into the bore, it will push and rotate the cylinder into the alignment that offers the least resistance, that's it's job. So there's no real reason to fill the throats to perfection with a cast or jacketed bullet. On another note, how would a shoulder on a SWC be an issue ? You don't agree with yourself: Size your boolits to fill your throats with a drag fit / is the same as there's no real reason to fill the throats to perfection As far as your forcing cone comment and "shoulder on a SWC" question, you have only determined that there is a 0.0015" step down from throat to groove - not a runout problem. Those two are a non-issue if cylinder-bore alignment is good. I think you're getting all tangled up here. Earlier you posted of cylinder stops damaging your bullets. You lost me there... I didn't say this..... I copied it from another forum As far as the cylinder stops, if the cylinder rotates into alignment, would a worn stop throw off the alignment to far ?
|
|
edk
.375 Atomic
Posts: 1,108
|
Post by edk on Feb 18, 2024 20:26:42 GMT -5
You don't agree with yourself: Size your boolits to fill your throats with a drag fit / is the same as there's no real reason to fill the throats to perfection As far as your forcing cone comment and "shoulder on a SWC" question, you have only determined that there is a 0.0015" step down from throat to groove - not a runout problem. Those two are a non-issue if cylinder-bore alignment is good. I think you're getting all tangled up here. Earlier you posted of cylinder stops damaging your bullets. You lost me there... I didn't say this..... I copied it from another forum As far as the cylinder stops, if the cylinder rotates into alignment, would a worn stop throw off the alignment to far ? Well, there was no reference of it being another person. Anyhow you already know what to do for ideal fit from post #1 in this thread: Bullet diameter at or slightly over groove; bullets slip fit to throat. My Ruger 44s are all around the same size as yours - Redhawk & Super Blackhawk. They shoot fine with bullet diameter 0.002" over groove; bullets slip fit to throat If I was going to be as picky as you I would buy a Freedom Arms - - Oh yeah I did that and guess what? The cylinder throats were 0.001" under groove and they didn't care! edit: Cylinder stop matter way off topic. Recommend you save for another thread.
|
|
44mag
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 77
|
Post by 44mag on Feb 18, 2024 20:39:57 GMT -5
EDK
The cylinder throats were 0.001" under groove and they didn't care!
Either would I ! LOL
Either way just size the bullet to the throat is a bit off topic of what I posted...form the other person.
So back to the cylinder aligning to the bore, the forcing cone does this, so why size the bullet to the throat? The cone aligns the cylinder centers the bullet.
|
|
|
Post by wilecoyote on Feb 18, 2024 20:44:18 GMT -5
there is a pneumatic function whereby the sudden flow of hot gases coming from the chamber tends, when the primer is struck, channeling itself by invitation into the forcing cone, therefore a sort of self-centering action, to reduce the effects of a physiological but modest possible misalignment between the chamber and the forcing cone itself. I learned this, and I have no way of scientifically backing it up, but believing it has always made me sleep better. any opinion on the matter is obviously welcome
|
|
Odin
.327 Meteor
Posts: 971
Member is Online
|
Post by Odin on Feb 18, 2024 21:28:03 GMT -5
...why size the bullet to the throat?... Cast bullets get sized to throat diameter or slightly under because oversized bullets run the risk of raising chamber pressure rather significantly (most of us are quite fond of our hands and eyes) and undersized bullets will allow gas blow by, causing leading of the bore (no one likes lousy accuracy or scrubbing lead out of a barrel). Earlier you mentioned 0.4325 throats and a 0.431 bore. To most here, that sounds like a perfectly workable combination. Pour or pay for 0.432-inch cast slugs. Load and launch. Don't spend time worrying about issues that aren't yet issues, chiefly chamber -bore alignment, which most of us can't measure with any real accuracy anyway, and forcing cones, which Ruger seems to do just fine cutting, regardless of what all the Internet experts tell you.
|
|
edk
.375 Atomic
Posts: 1,108
|
Post by edk on Feb 18, 2024 21:31:27 GMT -5
EDK The cylinder throats were 0.001" under groove and they didn't care! Either would I ! LOL Think a little harder about this
|
|
44mag
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 77
|
Post by 44mag on Feb 18, 2024 21:39:58 GMT -5
EDK The cylinder throats were 0.001" under groove and they didn't care! Either would I ! LOL Think a little harder about this there's nothing to think about
|
|
Odin
.327 Meteor
Posts: 971
Member is Online
|
Post by Odin on Feb 18, 2024 21:47:14 GMT -5
Think a little harder about this Dang it, Ed! Here I am telling the poor bloke to stop thinking so hard while you're telling him to THINK HARDER!!! Ahh-ha-ha-ha-ha!! What a mess!
|
|
|
Post by bigbrowndog on Feb 18, 2024 21:50:06 GMT -5
This sounds more and more like a vaudeville act!!
Just sayin’……..im giving up trying to stay current on this topic.
Trapr
|
|
44mag
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 77
|
Post by 44mag on Feb 18, 2024 21:51:23 GMT -5
...why size the bullet to the throat?... Cast bullets get sized to throat diameter or slightly under because oversized bullets run the risk of raising chamber pressure rather significantly (most of us are quite fond of our hands and eyes) and undersized bullets will allow gas blow by, causing leading of the bore (no one likes lousy accuracy or scrubbing lead out of a barrel). Earlier you mentioned 0.4325 throats and a 0.431 bore. To most here, that sounds like a perfectly workable combination. Pour or pay for 0.432-inch cast slugs. Load and launch. Don't spend time worrying about issues that aren't yet issues, chiefly chamber -bore alignment, which most of us can't measure with any real accuracy anyway, and forcing cones, which Ruger seems to do just fine cutting, regardless of what all the Internet experts tell you. What about the rest that wouldn't think it be a perfectly workable combination ? Why wouldn't that be ? In the past I never did my homework, and I'm trying to cover all my bases, that's all, relax. Tired of wasting money on crap I don't need, that's all. Understand ? There's one thing I learned, consistency weeds out anything that might be a problem and maybe eliminating it.
|
|
44mag
.240 Incinerator
Posts: 77
|
Post by 44mag on Feb 18, 2024 21:56:13 GMT -5
Think a little harder about this Dang it, Ed! Here I am telling the poor bloke to stop thinking so hard while you're telling him to THINK HARDER!!! Ahh-ha-ha-ha-ha!! What a mess! Wow now I'm really confused. Ok..... .0015 from the oversized throat to the forcing cone and .001 under groove isn't a big deal..... I can live with that. So EDK said to most it's a workable combination, where the other "blokes" who think other wise. Think They'll chime in eventually ? LOL
|
|