robrcg
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Post by robrcg on Oct 24, 2022 21:18:22 GMT -5
I recently went through about a month and half long discussion with UPS over their new policy for handguns. They had been my main carrier for years. They sent me a contract that unfortunately I could not sign. I know other dealers that had to make the same decision. Their service is now FFL to FFL only, and only next day air on handguns unless the FFL holder can negotiate a 2 day air program. They are requiring an account for handguns and handguns only, another for gun parts and another for non gun related shipments. After the month and a half I invited them to close my account if they wanted to. I hope they re-evaluate this as I always had good service from them but wont hold my breath. Fun stuff for sure...
A couple weeks ago I got a call from Fed Ex asking me to open an account. I mentioned that I ship handguns and the call was over quickly.
For USPS they will take handguns, but only FFL to FFL. The shipping FFL holder must fill out a form 1508 stating that they are a manufacturer or bona fide dealer and the addressee is also a manufacturer or bona fide dealer, and the shipment is for customary trade or articles for repair or replacement parts. It also must go adult signature required. USPS is now my only method of shipping packages out.
Unless your state has a special policy, if you take your gun to a FFL dealer for shipping, and the same dealer gets it back they can sign the gun back out to you without transfer paperwork.
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Post by cas on Oct 26, 2022 19:02:39 GMT -5
If your FFL is taking in guns and not logging them in, that may wind up causing them much grief.
I attempted to drop a gun off at a factory service center since I was only an hour and a half away at the time, hoping they would ship it back to me. No go, they said the way they get it is the way it has to go back. That would have meant another 10 hours of driving, so I did not leave it with them.
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Post by cr390gt on Oct 27, 2022 19:33:20 GMT -5
My FFL boxed it up with his number in it I took it to the post office and mailed it he never took possession and the gunsmith is shipping back to me
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Post by gunsbam45 on Oct 28, 2022 10:45:38 GMT -5
Since it is not a transfer you can ship via USPS flat rate box. And, again, since it is not a transfer, your gunsmith can mail it right to your front door. NO. NOT LEGAL. USPS, which is in itself a federal agency, does not allow non licensed individuals to ship "hand" guns period. You can ship an AR or semi auto AK, but not your Ruger Bearcat. UPS and FedEx are both private companies, so there's no legal recourse they can leverage against anyone who disobeys their rules, but if they lose something or damage it when it was against their rules to ship it with them, the owner/sender has no legal recourse with them either. Hopefully, as is the case here when other things get choked by politics, maybe someone will succeed in starting a firearms friendly shipping company, and/or legislation will come down the pipe that let's freedom and common sense prevail again, but in the meantime, finding a good FFL who will ship for a reasonable fee is the best bet.
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Post by taffin on Oct 28, 2022 11:04:24 GMT -5
My FFL boxed it up with his number in it I took it to the post office and mailed it he never took possession and the gunsmith is shipping back to me LEGAL???
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Post by nolongcolt on Oct 28, 2022 11:27:59 GMT -5
Amazing how much opinion varies on this. My understanding is that ONLY an FFL may ship a handgun thru the USPS and he cant delegate that to someone else, he must physically make that shipment in person. As to having the handgun returned to the owner? Again, my understanding is that if it is shipped via the FFL it must return to that FFL, not the owner. Its always better to have the receiver/gunsmith send a label for Fed or UPS that you can then ship the gun thru them and have it returned to you. I recently needed work done on an AO Thompson 1911. They emailed a label, I slapped it on and dropped the box off at the little mailing store in town, and the pistol shipped back to me. Its getting to be a real PITA shipping guns, especially handguns. pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_008.htm
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Post by kings6 on Oct 28, 2022 11:59:05 GMT -5
My FFL boxed it up with his number in it I took it to the post office and mailed it he never took possession and the gunsmith is shipping back to me LEGAL??? Not sure but I sure can not see the one person sho signed the ffl at a larger gun store takes every single gun they ship down to the post office rather than do the paperwork and have a line employee take the packages to the post office. Explained that to the postal employee and she said no problem. Same thing when I worked with my former ffl. May be because I’m in a small town of under 16k residents and the ffl and postal staff all know each other by name.
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Post by flyingzebra on Oct 28, 2022 12:14:25 GMT -5
finding a good FFL who will ship for a reasonable fee "Reasonable" is subjective
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Post by gunsbam45 on Oct 28, 2022 14:42:21 GMT -5
My FFL boxed it up with his number in it I took it to the post office and mailed it he never took possession and the gunsmith is shipping back to me LEGAL??? Nope, not legal, but it's all so ridiculously insane that grown adults according to new laws don't still have their constitutional rights according to said laws, some grown adults choose not to take it at all seriously. How can the FFL doing the shipping actually sign the gun in, when he's not actually taking it in? If he can't do that, then he can't sign it back out from never being signed in. What has to happen, is simply that the FFL dealer HAS to be the one to do the shipping when using the postal service. If he has employees listed as responsible parties on the FFL, who like him have been background checked and fingerprinted etc, then they can do it also, but a non licensed, non FFL employed individual cannot do it legally. BUT, what is the FFL ACTUALLY doing when he ships in these cases? The firearm is the LEGAL PROPERTY of the non licensed individual, but the government says they don't have the right to ship it through them. THE FFL holder can't make them resign for it, it's already theirs. This is what's known as a federally retarded cluster which makes no sense. Is everyone clear?
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woody
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Post by woody on Oct 28, 2022 21:11:39 GMT -5
My FFL boxed it up with his number in it I took it to the post office and mailed it he never took possession and the gunsmith is shipping back to me LEGAL??? I can answer that. No!!!!!
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Post by kings6 on Oct 29, 2022 7:18:44 GMT -5
After reading everyone’s input on this thread it seems that due to the witches brew of government regulations, corporate guidelines and the fact that the actual enforcement of the regulations are subject the the moon and tide phases affecting the individual regulator in any given situation on any given day it seems like each have to make our own decisions on how we handle the shipments.
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COR
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Post by COR on Oct 30, 2022 7:44:36 GMT -5
Teach your children well… unfortunately those of you most critical of business policies on here need to understand this evolved with all of us in it. We have watched it patiently.
My 4 children will shape this future and I am completely focused there. Your children and grandchildren WILL shape this future and maybe the time spent typing complaints here could be getter used connecting to that future… what was done up to this point didnt work…. This thread is how I know. Cant blame anyone or anything.
…real change starts with the children. It doesn’t happen here online. Your kids will find the same fate in their “screens” if not used as tools.
This and 5 bucks gets you one of those sugary coffees they convinced you to love …. It’s just my thoughts until it warms a little and I go shoot some old King Colts. I’ll never need to worry about “shipping” those anywhere.
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Post by taffin on Oct 30, 2022 9:18:36 GMT -5
What we have seen happening in our lifetime is called INCREMENTALISM
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Post by bula on Oct 30, 2022 9:24:14 GMT -5
Yup, death by a thousand cuts. Herded like sheep. Gotta stop here.
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Post by harveylogan on Oct 30, 2022 11:20:42 GMT -5
Hopefully my thought will not throw this thread off,,,
Observation: Want to send a gun back to Ruger,,, they usually send (usually by email) a pick up Shipping Label, they like to use FedEx but will use UPS. Most of the time they send them fee free, but I have had them ask me to pay a ~$30 fee.(? IIRC)
Maybe it’s time for Gunsmiths, that have work coming in from across the country, to provide a “Shipping Label”. Service.
FWIW; I do this all the time, send a prepaid Label (usually USPS) for all kinds of “stuff”, ALWAYS observing Rules & Regulations. NO Handguns.
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